I did not mean that this have happened eight times worldwide, sadly no one know how many times it has happened. Personally I am not a fan of the old 650GS, but this should not happen with any bike.
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Cheap? Well, with Showa you can choose to buy "Cheap" suspension components or expensive ones. All about money. So this is up to BMW. After all, Showa supply components for everything from 80cc kids bikes to Formula One race cars.
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Yes, as I said “ Anyway it’s not interesting that Showa made the forks, BMW has the responsibility for the final product.
It looks like you liked Chris story of broken shocks, it wouldn’t surprise me if they were Showa. But again, that’s BMWs responsibility.
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I have never seen a KYB, WP or Showa component fail in an unprovoked manner .... ever. In desert racing and in Baja lots of weird and unpredictable failures can happen but so far I've not heard of a fork breaking in race use. (although it may have happened.... it is not common)
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Well, in this thread alone there is 7-10 broken Showa forks and BMW have probably a history of thousands broken shocks from Showa. I’m not sure if WP made the triple clamps for KTM back in 2002 but they broke. KTM handled it pretty good!
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My guess is BMW simply buy an "off the shelf" item from Showa. Showa would take no part in testing or spec-ing out the shock or forks. It's all up to the BMW to figure out what component is best for the particular bike.
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I agree, but on the other hand 95% (at least) of the forks are still working and a lot of them have been beaten pretty badly. Many of the forks (or most according to Adv-rider) have broken at low mileage.
For me this looks like a production problem, the quality differs from one shock to the next. Agree?
But the bike is BMW badge, and BMW should be blamed.
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If Showa items are failing on BMW's or causing problems can we assume Showa products have similar problems on the thousands of other bikes they are used on?
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That’s an interesting statement! So you say that Showa sell good product to the big four and crap products to BMW? Well, it would explain why I think Showa is crap and you like them. :confused1:
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