But you have to compare apples with apples Ted. You can't compare a Dommie to an AT. If you want to compare it, compare it to the same class bikes. I've already agreed they're overpriced in some places (e.g. here in Aus a DL650 will be >2k cheaper than an AT and I'm not sure the average bloke will find it 2k better- and then you add the zero-Honda support here, and it starts to loose it's appeal).

But in Europe (and maybe I'm totally wrong about this), they'd be more expensive than say a Super-Tenere of the same year/age etc, but maybe the price difference is not THAT great? And having reviewed my fair few Super-Tens, I think the AT is a better bike and more reliable etc.

And different places have different markets. I'd love a Dommie, but they're around 4k here and I don't think they're worth it. I got a Tiger 955 for 2.5k: much more bike for the money, and yes not the same, but as my focus was a budget bike to ride-and-leave, I can work with it and live with the shortcomings.

and the final 2c just for context - which bike you buy off the shelf has great suspension? Guys here spend plenty of $$ on already expensive bikes like the 800XC etc to get them ready. Even KTM's aren't perfect. Yes, a DR650 will be much cheaper to setup, but then we're once again not comparing apples to apples are we?

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