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Howdy all... just checking in - been rather busy these past couple of months as Chris has alluded to ;o)
Any questions about the all-road and trail worthiness of the CB500X with the Rally-Raid kit fitted, please ask away - I've just finished riding one over 12,500 miles - including a 1000 mile Iron-Butt, the whole of the Trans-America Trail and a week on the rocks in Moab.
Honestly, this bike is epic.
The KLR is dead, and so is the Transalp ;o)
I'll also be posting up a copy of my detailed ride report here on the HUBB shortly - in the meantime, a few photos that hopefully illustrate what I mean:
photo. Kane Creek Canyon, Moab UT.
photo. The TAT east of Monticello UT.
photo. Dead Horse Gulch nr. Salida CO.
photo. Pikes Peak, CO.
photo. TAT in Oregon.
photo. Lockhart Basin, Moab UT.
photo. Top of the World trail, Moab UT.
photo. Top of the World trail, Moab UT.
photo. Mengal Pass, Death Valley CA.
More soon,
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seems like a great all rounder, I wonder how long before Honda realise and put the price up?
The MT07 engine seems like it would make a great basis for a modern day super tenere, lightweight skinny and capable.
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Ah, interesting - thanks for clarifying that ex-xt and Jmi...
I guess Honda want all eyes on the new Africa Twin for the moment? (much more €€€s for them ;o)
In the meantime, the latest video and review from the UK in Brake magazine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWmke46ug78
A "2-wheeled Land Rover Defender 90" - I can go with that....
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Thanks for the update Chris!
Sounds like good progress is being made. No surprise to me the 19" front is so good. Lots of bikes have gone 19F/17R, it's worked out well. If balance and geometry are adjusted from stock 17/17, (apparently it is!) the thing should turn and handle better than stock off road.
A 19" front will always give better confidence/tracking off road. Get tire pressures down a bit more and should be even better. I agree with you that 26 psi may be reason for harshness.
What about a DID Dirt Star wheel? Using Bib Mouse perhaps? Not sure what sizes Dirt Star come in, just a thought. Not sure why the Bart Wheel is so heavy? But as you say, Tough is good in a travel bike. Dirt Star are really tough.
Difficult problem to fit that shock in that tight spot  ... shame no remote preload. Maybe in future a solution will present?
Weight gain is no surprise. We all need the guards, Barkbusters, bash plates and such.
On my DR650 I've found using lightweight pannier racks saves a few kgs. But I use throw over soft panniers too, which helps weight. (cheap ones)
When comparing the 500X RR with single dual sports (660 and others) remember both Honda's XR650L and DR650 are lighter than both Yam, Kawi, and BMW by a large margin.
My DR650 fully loaded with luggage and 5 gal. (19 lt) fuel weighed in at 430 lbs. (195 kg.) on certified transport scale. Not too bad. But it will never have the comfort and smoothness of the 500X and won't match it on longish highway rides.
Keep up the testing.
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What's next?
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Thanks for an interesting, thoughtful review.
Your ownership has been a few months and a few thousand miles if I understand fully.
I would put that in the short term timescale.
"Long term" means you are selling and moving on to the next project bike?
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The latest press review of the CB500X Adventure here in RUST magazine (UK)...
https://rustsports.s3.amazonaws.com/Rust%234.pdf
Some excellent photography too!
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A short behind the scenes interview with John Mitchinson from Rally-Raid Products about the development and ethos behind the CB500X Adventure kit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Joc1gId0Q
Plus the Rally-Raid CB500X Adventure (LEVEL 3 kit) on the Honda stand at the Vancouver Motorcycle Show this weekend - complete with Giant Loop luggage:
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Yes I used for 5 months Thailand / Laos after trying many others bikes it was excellent
Safe riding
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A very nice bike.
I have done over 20000 km on my 2015 mod.500x,Two times from Norway to Venedig,and ofcourse,the alps.No problem to sit on it for 400 km trips,or more,on a day,the seat is very good.Very economic to drive also,about one litre fuel,brings me 30 km.One up and with a lot of luggage.Have had no problems,all all with the bike.
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Hi everyone,
just a quick summary of where I come from before I ask my questions:
I am 25 years old, from Germany (which makes this RR conversion a PITA), and my love for motorcycle riding was lit during my voluntary year in Uganda from 2011-2012. Some of the discussions regarding 125s and 155s really made me nostalgic  . Anyways my first bike was a 2001 BMW F 650 GS because it has been a dream ever since to discover the world an the peoples within it. So it seemed logical to buy a bike that could handle a variety of situations and conditions. Unfortunately the thumper really did not impress me on long road trips through Germany and Europe. Due to the vibrations my arms and legs went numb after an hour or so. So I was on the lookout for another bike (the CB 500 X was the other contendor for my first bike, but couldnt afford a new one - there were no used ones in 2013). Since then I watched every Youtube-video from Blancolirio and any video that remotely handled the subject of the CB 500X. Basically thats going to be the next bike in the following year. Never the less there are some questions I'd like to ask the community. They are noobie questions, yet I regard them as worth it to consider:
Firstly: Do you think the Level 1b Kit is woth the while? My skills are not really developed. This is one reason why the 500X makes sense, since I can improve my riding skills. So many other people want the fastes available bike even though it might not make sense to start on these huge bikes... So the off-beaten paths id really take are gravel roads and maybe some forest roads. Are those 17" wired wheels acceptable in these conditions? Also I am 167cm on a good day, so the huge 19" conversion is quite intimidating to me... Or will I regret that choice soon and have to invest in yet another upgrade, the level 3 upgrade?
Secondly concerning hard-luggage: The way id like to ride in the near future (the next 2 years) is mainly to discover places. That includes some odd city-touring with the occasional stop to visit an interesting site. So my thoughts are that an aluminium-pannier is the better choice for luggage to discourage thiefs. What's your take on that? Blancolirio says that the Giantloop bags, or the Siskyou panniers, are all that you need, which is true, but only if you do not leave the bike over night or for a couple of hours in city centers... Or would it suffice to get one of those metel fishnet security think that you can wrap around your luggage?
Thirdly: Am I getting it right, that with your fork clamps you can install the level 2 Suspention kit (with additional 2") but still maintain the original ride height? Does that mean it is also possible to buy those and just increase the ride height about 1" due to my limited height?
Tank you for sharing your expertise and time.
Greetings
Alex
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afaict, Level 1b is purely a suspension upgrade and is bound to improve the CB-X on road and trail. I would not bother fitting same sized but spoked (wired) wheels (is that what you mean?). Stick with the original tubeless alloy and spend you money on the suspension first. I believe the fork kit has been improved still further from the version I had.
On a bike this size 19" front is best all round size for road and gravel but the right tyres on a 17 front can make a big difference off road.
Before you spend any of this money, run a CB-X for a while first and make sure its the bike for you regards height and weight. It will definitely cure your vibration issues with big singles.
For the reasons you mention, hard luggage would be better in European cities.
Third Q - don't know.
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Originally Posted by AdmirAlex
Hi everyone,
just a quick summary of where I come from before I ask my questions:
I am 25 years old, from Germany (which makes this RR conversion a PITA), and my love for motorcycle riding was lit during my voluntary year in Uganda from 2011-2012. Some of the discussions regarding 125s and 155s really made me nostalgic  . Anyways my first bike was a 2001 BMW F 650 GS because it has been a dream ever since to discover the world an the peoples within it. So it seemed logical to buy a bike that could handle a variety of situations and conditions. Unfortunately the thumper really did not impress me on long road trips through Germany and Europe. Due to the vibrations my arms and legs went numb after an hour or so. So I was on the lookout for another bike (the CB 500 X was the other contendor for my first bike, but couldnt afford a new one - there were no used ones in 2013). Since then I watched every Youtube-video from Blancolirio and any video that remotely handled the subject of the CB 500X. Basically thats going to be the next bike in the following year. Never the less there are some questions I'd like to ask the community. They are noobie questions, yet I regard them as worth it to consider:
Firstly: Do you think the Level 1b Kit is woth the while? My skills are not really developed. This is one reason why the 500X makes sense, since I can improve my riding skills. So many other people want the fastes available bike even though it might not make sense to start on these huge bikes... So the off-beaten paths id really take are gravel roads and maybe some forest roads. Are those 17" wired wheels acceptable in these conditions? Also I am 167cm on a good day, so the huge 19" conversion is quite intimidating to me... Or will I regret that choice soon and have to invest in yet another upgrade, the level 3 upgrade?
Secondly concerning hard-luggage: The way id like to ride in the near future (the next 2 years) is mainly to discover places. That includes some odd city-touring with the occasional stop to visit an interesting site. So my thoughts are that an aluminium-pannier is the better choice for luggage to discourage thiefs. What's your take on that? Blancolirio says that the Giantloop bags, or the Siskyou panniers, are all that you need, which is true, but only if you do not leave the bike over night or for a couple of hours in city centers... Or would it suffice to get one of those metel fishnet security think that you can wrap around your luggage?
Thirdly: Am I getting it right, that with your fork clamps you can install the level 2 Suspention kit (with additional 2") but still maintain the original ride height? Does that mean it is also possible to buy those and just increase the ride height about 1" due to my limited height?
Tank you for sharing your expertise and time.
Greetings
Alex
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Hi Alex - thank you for your enthusiasm, the CB500X is a great bike, you won't be dissappointed!
To answer your questions regarding the Rally Raid kit/s and options:
1. The LEVEL 1b kit offers fully adjustable front and rear suspension (note. from 2017 onwards, this will include the new Fork Cartridges, which have externally adjustable compression and rebound damping, along with preload) - while the rear shock will continue to feature high and low speed compression damping, plus rebound and preload, and will now have the option of a hydraulic remote preload adjuster too, again, from the 2017 production onwards.
In comparison, the current LEVEL 1 suspension offers a similar build and overall suspension quality, but without the individual damping adjustment - the adjuster is a combined clicker, that controls rebound and compression in proportion to each other.
Basically, the standard LEVEL 1 suspension is a huge improvement over the stock set-up. You only need the further control of the individual adjusters that the 1b shock (and new fork cartridges) offer if you wish to further tailor your ride to specific conditions. Personally I'd take advantage of the great price on the regular LEVEL 1 kit at the moment.
2. The 17" front spoked wheel is built to exactly the same standards as our 19" front, so it is certainly just as strong. The only limitation is the smaller diameter (and proportionally wider tyre) that can make directional stability less positive in loose sandy or muddy conditions... the gyroscopic force of the larger [19"] diameter front wheel also helps with stability on-road and on rough piste type desert tracks and trails, especially at higher speeds...
However, if you are concerned about overall seat-height on the bike but want stronger wheels that the stock cast aluminium ones, then the 17" front and rear Rally Raid wheels are an excellent option. My friend Lisa just spent a week riding exactly the same trails as I did with her 17" front wheel and she found the bike very manageable and stable, you just had to take a little more care and ride accordingly.
3. Personally we feel the longer travel (+2"/50mm) suspension of the LEVEL 2 and 3 conversions is the optimum for this size bike, and certainly the bike is very capable indeed in LEVEL 3 specification. However, we are aware that a number of people choose the CB500X because of it's lower seat height, so if you are more comfortable at the standard ride-height, you'll be more confident, and that is the main thing when tackling unfamiliar terrain.
Fortunately, all the Rally Raid parts are bolt-on bolt-off, and no modification to the bike is required - so ultimately you can always sell your LEVEL 1 kit on if you ever decide to take you bike to the LEVEL 2/3 specification.
4. The LEVEL 2 (longer travel) suspension does come with a new triple clamp, but this is primarily to achieve the correct ride height front and rear, and to provide sufficient clearance for the larger 19" front wheel when fitted. While you could slide the fork legs through the triple clamps to the same hight as a LEVEL 1 bike if you kept the 17" front wheel size, the rear of the bike would still be 50mm higher, which would mess up the handling significantly.
Basically you can't have the longer travel suspension without the corresponding increase in seat height.
With regard to hard luggage - personally we feel the extra weight and bulk of such items undoes everything we have tried to achieve in keeping the size and weight of this bike small. However, I would concede that for general touring riding, and especially when visiting cities - having solid lockable luggage can be beneficial...
There are any number of pannier frames and hard boxes out there by the usual suspects - just be aware that the CB500X is only about 4/5ths (or 7/8ths) the size of the larger twin-cylinder adventure bikes [and has a short tail section too] so try to chose boxes that are physically in proportion to the bike - something around 35L a side is really the absolute maximum.
Personally I like the Caribou Cases system (from the USA) that uses Pelican cases as the boxes themselves - these are virtually indestructible plastic cases that are properly waterproof (typically used for transporting camera and other electronic equipment) and come in a range of sizes and options. If you're on a budget, you can always buy some pannier frames from a 3rd party and mount some Pelican Cases yourself.
I have never felt the need to use one of those metal security mesh nets over my soft bags, but typically I tend to plan any visits to tourist attractions to coincide with where I can remove my soft Coyote bag and leave it somewhere safe (such as inside a hotel).
Hope that helps - good luck with your new bike purchase, and feel free to ask any further questions about the Rally Raid options here, or over on the dedicated Vendor thread on the ADVrider forum here.
Jenny x
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