Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Technical, Bike forums > Which Bike?
Which Bike? Comments and Questions on what is the best bike for YOU, for YOUR trip. Note that we believe that ANY bike will do, so please remember that it's all down to PERSONAL OPINION. Technical Questions for all brands go in their own forum.
Photo by Andy Miller, UK, Taking a rest, Jokulsarlon, Iceland

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Andy Miller, UK,
Taking a rest,
Jokulsarlon, Iceland



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 20 Mar 2009
Alexlebrit's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West London
Posts: 920
Mine was slightly different as I'm only licenced to ride a 125cc. That kind of cut down on the tourer/dual sport options for a start, and then I live in rural Brittany - France, which cuts down both the number of dealerships and the number of secondhand bikes.

So having posted on here about what to look out for I set out with a small shopping list - Honda Varadero, Honda CG125, Suzuki Vanvan, Yamaha XT125 and Derbi Terra/Terra Adventure.

I had a test ride on the cheaper bikes to start with but found them a bit cramped and quite frankly a bit slow, also the fact that luggage was going to be a top box and throw overs kind of put me off - having watched E&C slog through the mud on their GSes I was of course convinced I needed aluminium luggage. I took a test ride on the Vara after and it was a great bike, but expensive (I could have done a biking course and my test for the premium) and also on the Derbis.

But what really swung it was the reception I, a new biker, got in the dealerships. Sure I didn't have the foggiest idea what I was asking, sure my helmet looked a bit old, and my bikers jacket was definately borrowed, but hey at least I went equipped for a test ride and at least I had my chequebook ready.

Mr Honda was sniffy with me, kept breaking off to chat to people he obviously knew as they came in, said I could have a quick once round the block test ride and positively laughed at me when I mentioned the touring word.

Mr (and Mrs) Derbi didn't, they answered all my questions, they patiently listened to my dreams, they laughed with me at the mouldy smell in my helmet, they offered me a coffee, they said I was more than welcome to borrow the demo for the 2 hours while they were shut for lunch, they suggested some nice roads to try it out on and they gave me their mobile number in case I got bored/scared/in an accident while they were lunching.

And that's why I ended up with a Derbi Terra Adventure.
__________________
Happiness has 125 cc
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 20 Mar 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Tallinn, Estonia
Posts: 1,049
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Cartney View Post
I've just realised its a while since we had a BMW versus Jap bike ding-dong. People must have finally vented all their arguments!
Regrettably, I'm sure it will come up again. Some opinions do seem unventable...

That is one reason why the "why did you buy yours?" approach would be helpful. It would also mean that a poster could get the answer they needed, rather than the answer someone else thought they should need, IYKWIM.
__________________
Adventure: it's an experience, not a style!
(so ride what you like, but ride it somewhere new!)
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 20 Mar 2009
Matt Cartney's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland
Posts: 1,350
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warthog View Post
That is one reason why the "why did you buy yours?" approach would be helpful. It would also mean that a poster could get the answer they needed, rather than the answer someone else thought they should need, IYKWIM.
Yes, ITIDKWYM!

__________________
http://adventure-writing.blogspot.com

http://scotlandnepal.blogspot.com/

*Disclaimer* - I am not saying my bike is better than your bike. I am not saying my way is better than your way. I am not mocking your religion/politics/other belief system. When reading my post imagine me sitting behind a frothing pint of ale, smiling and offering you a bag of peanuts. This is the sentiment in which my post is made. Please accept it as such!
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 20 Mar 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: West Yorkshire UK
Posts: 1,785
Good Show

Coming back to this after a day or so, I'd like to say well done chaps (and chapesses?). This site always does well for people actually answering the question rather than wondering off into why a Triumph outfit isn't an adventure bike (if you want adventure you should see the electrics ) or why we should all ride a certain model.

Long may it continue and thanks for such interesting replies.

BTW, Am I the only one who bought off a drunken salesman?

Andy
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 20 Mar 2009
AliBaba's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
Posts: 1,379



One thing I find fascinating is that the type of bike you have affects your behavior, or maybe it’s only me….

When I had a XL600R I normally drove fast on very short trips, I bought a Kawa Z500 and used it mostly for short trips and a few trips around Europe.
Later when I bought the R80GS I started to travel long distance with the bike (I had always traveled). It felt like the bike asked for it…

I also have a 2-stroke 250ccm and a 4-stroke 400ccm (competition bikes) and when I use them I drive as an idiot.
No, I don’t think all people using 250/400ccm are idiots!
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 20 Mar 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: SW France
Posts: 304
The original reason I chose my bike was because it was at the time (1990), in my view, the only bike vaguely suitable for an overland trip 2 up. I was already a committed BMW rider and fan of shaft drive. I still have the bike 19 years on which must say something.

I agree with Alibaba in that some bikes just need to do long trips and others are just for larking around on. I've had several more modern bikes and all have been good fun but they've not stood the test of time.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 21 Mar 2009
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Merthyr Tydfil UK
Posts: 29
Choosing Tigger.

After getting bored of waiting for the New Tenere to arrive last summer, i decided to buy one of the last Transalp 650 which were being discounted, unfortunately my local dealer had sold his last one. Next choice was an Aprilia Pegaso but the dealers part ex offer on my bike was not impressive. Then by chance i walked into a local bike shop and there was a Triumph Tiger 955i, the dealer chucked me the keys and said take it for a run, 30 minutes later a deal was done. As you can see from the above the bike i bought was not what i went looking for but after seeing and riding the Tiger i had to have it.
Cheers Ade.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 21 Mar 2009
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Cumbria
Posts: 49
My experience was alot like hornets.

I researched my options to within an inch of its little life. I had pro's and con's, facts and figures, bad models/years and loads more info on ktm 640's, xt600's, BMW's and other manufacturers. I was actually getting slightly obsessed (scaring the missus).

Anyway, went on holiday still without bike. I went on the internet '' just incase'' something popped up while i've been on hols, as you do, and would you believe it! A blue honda transalp was smiling at me from thousands of miles away back in the UK. i had to have her.

Probably the only bike I know nothing about!

Still, a few phonecalls later and I was the proud owner of my currant beast.

No test rides nothing. I didnt even get to see her in the flesh(?) untill I got back a month later. Risky, but alls well that ends well...
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 22 Mar 2009
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 14
After flying through lessons and passing my bike test I was looking for the cheapest bike to do the job i.e get me on the road and learning. I found a mint '99 Yamaha Fazer 600. It's going well. I've plans to ride a bike all the way to Oz within a year. Not sure if I'll do it on the fazer. If money is tight I'll give it a go, if not I'll upgrade to a Africa Twin/Transalp/Dakar or some other.

will
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 22 Mar 2009
yuma simon's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Yuma, Arizona, USA
Posts: 548
My coworker bought a Honda 750 cruiser in mint condition, and wanted to sell his '84 Honda VT500, so I bought it for $1k USD--it gets me to work and back.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 22 Mar 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 116
Yeah, good to see some honesty with bike choice for once and no in-fighting.

Also good to see a couple more TA owners, thought we were a dying breed.

So what are we going to say now when someone asks for the perfect bike? Walk into a dealership and play Marco Polo until you bump into the right bike?
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 22 Mar 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: California
Posts: 880
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagan View Post
After reading the forums and drooling over one, I'm probably going for a XT660Z which appears to be a happy medium of good quality and a bike that I like the look of.
You won't regret it, it is an [i]awesome[i/] machine... I've covered over 20,000 miles on mine all ready this last six months, and it just keeps getting better - there is nothing it won't do (as long as you're brave enough!) and is mechanically rock solid...

I spent the best part of $10,000 building up my XR650R as a rally/touring machine (e-start, big tank, fairing and nav gear, brakes and loads of other bits and bobs...) and that was/is an awesome machine - but a little highly strung for serious distance work, especially on the road... after 18,000 miles (admittedly hard miles x) last year it started to use oil, and really needs a rebuild... I was all set to take it back to the US, when a found a XT660Z in stock and unsold last September - basically an off-the-shelf version of everything I'd turned the XR into - so bought that and shipped it to the US instead...

It has proved to be everything the XR was as a 'trail' bike, and far more comfortable when you do decide to stay on the tarmac... long service intervals, rock solid engine and super stable chassis, great ergonomics, good headlight (on low beam at least), more than adequate weather protection, big fuel range, EFi (it's been from -282ft to over 14,400ft), luggage and pillion capacity... hell, I'm starting to bore even myself!

I understand there are some UK dealers doing deals around 4500 pounds (sorry, US keyboard, no pound sign!) on pre-registered and 08 models at the moment... With a two year warrenty and all the warm cosy feeling that a new machine brings, I can't believe there is a better travel bike for the money?

xxx
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 22 Mar 2009
steved1969's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Yorkshire UK
Posts: 106
You are correct about dealers doing good deals on the XTZ660 Tenere's.

J&S at Doncaster had a white one in at £4599, not only that but they offered me £300 more for my bike as a trade in than anyone else has, picking it up on Thursday
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 22 Mar 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Tallinn, Estonia
Posts: 1,049
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet600 View Post
Also good to see a couple more TA owners, thought we were a dying breed.
I recently convinced my Dad to get rid of his R1150RT. He simply was not using it enough, nor for the sort of use it was designed for to warrant keeping it. I was actually pedalling the CBF500, then he surpirsed me by informing me that a new Ta was on order!!

Seems he just walked in, saw it, liked it, sat on it, liked it and bought, it. Current economic situation meant he got a good part-ex and extras thrown in, too!

Seems to be a pretty effective method!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet600 View Post
So what are we going to say now when someone asks for the perfect bike? Walk into a dealership and play Marco Polo until you bump into the right bike?
Basically, other than offering a few choices to narrow it down, that is something I have always advocated: a first hand test ride is worth a hundred posts of other people's opinion...

Plus window shopping, sitting on bikes and making broom-vroom noises when the sales guy isn't looking is all way more fun than reading internet pages!!
__________________
Adventure: it's an experience, not a style!
(so ride what you like, but ride it somewhere new!)
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 22 Mar 2009
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: West Yorkshire UK
Posts: 1,785
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet600 View Post

So what are we going to say now when someone asks for the perfect bike? Walk into a dealership and play Marco Polo until you bump into the right bike?
I guess it's almost that. If we say there is no perfect bike, you need to pick the least imperfect. As I said in my entry in the list, I wrote a spec along the lines of aircooled 800cc twin with...etc. etc. The obvious answer is R80GS, the imperfect bit worries out 20 year old drive splines. The spec also fitted the Bonneville, Harley Sportster and Kawasaki W650, all of which have "out of spec" items like semi-slick tyres. The drunken salesman who's eyesight must have slipped from XT600E to Goldwing-with-all-the-toys-in-a-nice-colour in the Glass' guide got me over those imperfections.

I say write your own sales brochure then go see who's selling the nearest bike to it.

Edit to add: I actually got as far as buying the Haynes book on the R80 before I decided it was nice but maybe not right for me.

Andy
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Opinions needed on which bike to choose!!! Nickyb88 Which Bike? 8 1 Oct 2008 06:34
Help me choose? hamson_4 Which Bike? 8 28 Dec 2007 14:40
Help me Choose! Xt660 or BMW 650 ClrScr Which Bike? 17 20 Oct 2007 20:15
which bike to choose for RTW trip NothingMan Which Bike? 47 2 May 2006 14:49
Which GPS to choose! bensouthallvw Navigation - Maps, Compass, GPS 0 16 Sep 2005 20:37

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

  • Virginia: April 24-27 2025
  • Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
  • Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
  • CanWest: July 10-13 2025
  • Switzerland: Date TBC
  • Ecuador: Date TBC
  • Romania: Date TBC
  • Austria: Sept. 11-14
  • California: September 18-21
  • France: September 19-21 2025
  • Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 14:22.