Originally Posted by Des Senior

Not so unknown, the 790 Duke was launched in Europe earlier this year and being a sports model it'll be well tested by the owners. And that's without the testing by KTM themselves, who have been blasting round on development models for at least the last 3 years, with pre-production adventure models being used in offroad competition during this year.

Originally Posted by Des Senior

Don't be too quick to knock Chinese manufactured bikes. The brand owners have been chasing cheap labour all round the world so are well used to instilling and ensuring their global quality standards. They don't just give them a set of drawings and say "off you go"!

A friend of mine had a Honda Innova as well as the Chinese branded equivalent, both made in the same plant in China. The Honda was everything you'd expect, slick, reliable, well finished, and the Chinese bike made for the local market was shoddy, sharing only an engine and a shape. If European and Japanese companies manufacture abroad they are very careful to make sure the product quality stays the same, the only effect should be that it costs you less because the poor sods who make it for pennies earn less in the process.

So regardless of where each bike is made you should judge it by the standards of the parent company not the local market. That said I intend to buy either a 790 or a T7, as I want a relatively lightweight bike that can eat up the miles but doesn't flounder like a whale off road. My thoughts were the KTM, as I believe they have made great strides in reliability while still maintaining a performance focus, but I'd consider the Yamaha if the weight is comparable.

Originally Posted by Walkabout

Somewhere just north of 100 HP according to the sales pitch which is comparable with, say, the 95 HP of the 800cc TIger.
Maybe why BMW have "upped" their engines to 850 and "750" for the mini-GS range.

Originally Posted by Tomkat

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Next questions, when and how much???

Originally Posted by Cholo

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Yamaha's build quality in their top of the line models is unequaled even by Honda

Originally Posted by Cholo

if you dial in reliability; I think the comparisons have just started for me. In a travel bike, reliability is at the top of my list of priorities; and here KTM just stalled.

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Originally Posted by PatOnTrip

More info is now available for the two new KTMs: 790 adventure and 790 adventure R.

Seat height: 33.5 to 32.7inch (R 34.5inch)
Suspension travel:
- front: 7.9inch (R 9.4inch)
- rear: 7.9inch (R 9.4inch)
Ground Clearence: 9.2inch (R 10.4inch)
Dry weight: 216.5kg
Tank 5.3gal

[url=http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2018/11/2019-ktm-790-adventure-combines-street-and-dirt-capabilities/]2019 KTM 790 Adventure Combines Street and Dirt Capabilities

Originally Posted by Snakeboy

That weight specs are far out! The KTM 1090 is 205 kilos dry so no way the 790 can be ~ 11-12 kilos more. The specs in Tremens thread seems correct - 189 kilos dry and ~ 204-205 wet.