Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Technical, Bike forums > Yamaha Tech
Yamaha Tech Originally the Yamaha XT600 Tech Forum, due to demand it now includes all Yamaha's technical / mechanical / repair / preparation questions.
Photo by Alessio Corradini, on the Salar de Uyuni, Bolivia, of two locals

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Alessio Corradini,
on the Salar de Uyuni, Bolivia,
of two locals



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 25 Aug 2007
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: essex
Posts: 28
alternator check

hi i got my xt 550 running great then taped all my loose wires up and now it wont start again. how do i check the wires from the gen ? or could it be the cdi is there any way of checking ?
thanks
Dave
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 25 Aug 2007
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 289
YES. Follow the advice from this page, is the better thing to do in case of electrical problems.

Motorcycle Electrical Parts (ElectroSport Industries)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 26 Aug 2007
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: France
Posts: 33
You can't directly check your CDI without a known good one to check it against. It's a process of elimination, where if everything else fails, your CDI is probably shot.

The 550 ignition system, being CDI and not TCI, is very simple. You don't need the reg/erct, battery, lighting circuit, etc. All you have is the generator, cdi, coil, plug, ignition switch and kill switch, the rest is entirely separate. Forget the battery circuit for the moment, it's utterly irrelevant.

You'll need a multimeter, and an electrical schema wouldn't go too far amiss either - here's one in italian - http://digilander.libero.it/XT_550/I...co%20XT550.jpg

First thing to do is to check the kill switch. All sorts of crap can get in there, they can block up and fail. It works by earthing the CDI, so the easiest way to test it is simply to disconnect it entirely. Check for continuity between the kill switch contact (where the black and white wire runs in) on the socket and the frame. continuity when in "off" position, none when in "run".

Now the ignition switch (key). Check for continuity on the black and white wire running in and running to earth. Again, only continuity when it's off / lock / park

Now check the wire feeding the kill switch / ignition switch from the CDI. There should be continuity between both ends (obviously), and *no* continuity from either end to earth. This is the black-and-white wire from the CDI.

All good? Time to check the "hot" side of the coil. remove the sparkplug, and reattach it to the plug cap. check for continuity between the centre electrode and earth (should be) and the outer electrode and earth (shouldn't be, as long as the plug is away from the motor. Common failure here is HT lead disconnect from plug cap, shot contacts in the cap itself, shot cap, bad connect from coil to HT lead, bad connect between coil and earth.

Test resistance of hot side of coil (resistance between orange lead into coil and plug electrode) against spec.

Test resistance of cool side of coil (orange to black) against spec.

all still good? Test continuity between orange from CDI to orange in to coil. should be good, with no continuity to earth.

Now check the generator. continuity between red and brown from generator, and resistances good. No continuity between red or brown and earth.

you can't really check the advance detector without a strobe, so plug and unplug repeatedly. contact cleaner if you have any. it's the 3-way connector from the generator with white/red, white/green and green wires.

If that all still checks out, it could well be your CDI that's shot. double-check the earths (black wires) on the CDI to be sure, and all earth connections to the frame, but that's about all you can check.

You can use a non-yam CDI to check, the easiest one to use is a C50/70/90 CDI (and has the benefit of being cheap as chips). This has no advance, so you connect to either the white/red or white/green pulser and the green, plus the red and brown. If you connect the wrong pulser your ignition will be too advanced, and it will throw you off when you kick it over. if you connect it to the right one, the bike should run, but you will only get about 3.5-4K RPM tops. This is all a last resort, though.

FWIW, my money is on something being earthed that shouldn't, or a bad connection on your HT lead.

Simon
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 26 Aug 2007
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 4,343
Thumbs up

Simon/tufty,
You are better than any workshop manual!! Who needs one with you around? I wish you had been here earlier when my TT600R had electrical issues (sorted now).

Cheers,
__________________
Dave
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 26 Aug 2007
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: essex
Posts: 28
thanks i will give that a try
regards
Dave
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

  • Virginia: April 24-27 2025
  • Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
  • Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
  • CanWest: July 10-13 2025
  • Switzerland: Date TBC
  • Ecuador: Date TBC
  • Romania: Date TBC
  • Austria: Sept. 11-15
  • California: September 18-21
  • France: September 19-21 2025
  • Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 17:15.