Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Technical, Bike forums > Yamaha Tech
Yamaha Tech Originally the Yamaha XT600 Tech Forum, due to demand it now includes all Yamaha's technical / mechanical / repair / preparation questions.
Photo by Hendi Kaf, in Cambodia

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Hendi Kaf,
in Cambodia



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 10 Mar 2008
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 994
Quote:
Originally Posted by mollydog View Post
As I tell anyone who will listen: Always buy the very best and newest bike you can afford. Have the bike gone over by a pro.
I am afraid I disagree! I would say buy an older bike, and work on it yourself before you go, for several reasons:
-To better understand your vehicle and its own idiosyncracies
-More money for travelling
-Less to go wrong in a terminal manner.
-Easier to work on ("a carb, a carb my kingdom for a carb" the broken-down injection owner can be heard to cry)
-A 'Pro' might not know anything you don't, and he won't deal with other issues in the same way, i.e. a slightly damaged thread on a bolt will get forced back on rather than a new SS bolt being put in. I used a plumber out of the yellow pages, once. They were shit (i.e. worse than me!)

If I had gone with the newest and best bike I could afford I would have ridden an 1150 GSA from Sheffield to dover, then run out of money! As it was I took 2 grands worth of old Italian stallion to Kazakstan and back. I reckon I could have spent less and got more, a decent overland bike can be had for 1500 quid and some manhours doing the prep yourself

If I was in your shoes I would order a new gasket set, get that engine out and give it a once-over, the bike could even in theory be better than new! The quick and dirty option would be to just cut that off with a grinder and weld the new one on, check that alignment!!

Please don't bin it just because of the dodgy sprocket and output shaft, like my mum used to say - 'There are starving children in Africa who would fix that bike'. At least she said something like that, was too busy thinking about the forbidden fruit of a motorcycle!

Health warning - You might not want to take any advice from someone that is thinking about doing their next trip on a '68 unit single.......
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10 Mar 2008
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Manchester UK
Posts: 235
hear hear.

as for the 1150 GSA, I had one, beautiful bike, Carnet costs, Henry, you forgot about that....and insurance....The Tenere if she should die on me, too bad for me, good for local scrapyard, cheap as chips, trip continues. If the 1150 were to die, all I'd think about was how to get it back home...bye bye trip.

cheap + reliable (or easy to fix) = good
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10 Mar 2008
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 994
good point, what is the cost of taking a 10 grand bike across e.g. Iran, about £90K??
The insurance against that loss would cost more than my bike!
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10 Mar 2008
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Warrington UK
Posts: 703
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laromonster View Post
on a scale from one to ten, one being slightly inconvenienced and ten requiring a new bike i'd say you are a solid five or so.
Two options:
1 Grind off the welds and weld on a new sprocket and sell the whole mess to an unsuspecting victim ( not recomended)

2 pull the engine split the cases and fit a new countershaft

Good luck
Lar
,
,
,
get a small 100mm angle grinder wit a cutting disc, they are just 2mm thick, although they are really just for cutting, you can be very gentle and use it to carefully cut / grind away at the weld.

No rush, you have plenty of time.

ii am sure it can be done.

i would rat it at a 4 on your scale of 1 to 10

G.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 10 Mar 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Nice, France
Posts: 85
Quote:
what is the cost of taking a 10 grand bike across e.g. Iran, about £90K??
Hmm, you'd be wanting the "fake carnet" option then, Sir?

Its probably naughty to bring this up on an online forum, but it worked for me in Africa. (n.b. not trying to sell anything here, in fact I can't for the life of me remember how I stumbled across this particular option. Must have a riffle through the old journals.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 11 Mar 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 68
I'm for fixing it! Plus you'll be able to look at 5th gear and have access to the oil pump. That should give you peace of mind on the trip. and if it all goes south in Africa for whatever reason you can walk away from it, if need be. You'll know that engine inside and out, that for sure!
Steve
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 11 Mar 2008
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Nairobi Port Alfred London
Posts: 210
I am intending to go south in africa... but just got a copy of blood river, I have a single minded passion to go east , not west and mines on a desert!

Cheers G

Will update as it progresses to next stage
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 11 Mar 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: england uk
Posts: 41
chain removal

hello to get your chain off you can probably buy a chain link remover from a motorcycle shop/ebay and put in a split link when you replace it so it is easy to do in future.I have recently changed all my gears including the sprocket shaft because it kept jumping out of third and the engine is pretty simple once it is taken apart its just a matter of checking each part is not too worn and replace if needed and renewing gaskets/ o rings . while i am going on a bit i would like to say that this site has given me so much inspiration/advice it is the bees knees and thanks to all who contribute
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 12 Mar 2008
*Touring Ted*'s Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Wirral, England.
Posts: 5,673
I didnt read all the replies but from the picture there is absolutely no other safe option than to replace the whole shaft or engine (maybe cheaper)

If overlanding on this, you would be a complete idiot to do anything else.. (no offence buddy)

I second hand engine should go for a couple of hundred pounds on ebay.

Ted
__________________
Did some trips.
Rode some bikes.
Fix them for a living.
Can't say anymore.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 14 Mar 2008
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Nairobi Port Alfred London
Posts: 210
2nd hand ones on ebay..

The Second hand engines on ebay are there for a reason: Its a devil you know versus the devil you dont! This weekend sees the carb put together and back on, then looking furverently at the offending article.

Cheers G
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 14 Mar 2008
*Touring Ted*'s Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Wirral, England.
Posts: 5,673
Quote:
Originally Posted by photographicsafaris View Post
The Second hand engines on ebay are there for a reason: Its a devil you know versus the devil you dont! This weekend sees the carb put together and back on, then looking furverently at the offending article.

Cheers G
Well not really. I often buy and sell engines on Ebay. All you need is some common sense.

Most engines on Ebay are sold by breakers who have crashed or recovered bikes. The engines are usually the best part of the bike.

Even if you are unlucky enough to buy a lemon, the drive shaft will amost certainly be fine and you could swap it into your current engine. The whole engine will cost you less than a new shaft from Yamaha.
__________________
Did some trips.
Rode some bikes.
Fix them for a living.
Can't say anymore.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 14 Mar 2008
mollydog's Avatar
R.I.P.
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: california
Posts: 3,824
You talking about a "unit single" BSA? I raced and rode a few in my miss spent youth!
__________________
Patrick passed Dec 2018. RIP Patrick!

Last edited by mollydog; 26 Mar 2009 at 09:37.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

25 years of HU Events
Be sure to join us for this huge milestone!

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

Virginia: April 24-27 2025
Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
CanWest: July 10-13 2025
Switzerland: Date TBC
Ecuador: Date TBC
Romania: Date TBC
Austria: Sept. 11-14
California: September 18-21
France: September 19-21 2025
Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:41.