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Starting problem TTR600RE 2004
Can anybody help me please.
Pressed my starter button yesterday and nothing happened so checked my battery was ok and wiggled a few wires near the switch itself, it didnt really do anything but it eventually just started working and its done the same thing twice today where you just keep pressing it (it doesnt click or anything its silent) and again it started working. Has anybody else encountered this problem ?
Also when it didnt start today I messed about with the side stand switch to see if that could have caused it, on reflection I dont think it would have anything to do with it but I pushed that button thing in on it and had to flick it down again with a coin but it now hangs down a lot further kinda loose and you have to hold it up with a screw driver to push back so you can put the side stand down.
Do those side stand switches strip down as i'm presuming they may have been a circlip on it that has now come loose, does anybody know if they strip down ?
I havent had time to check till tomorrow.
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Hi , the side stand switch from what i can remember doesnt strip down as its a sealed unit, i did find with my TT600R the ht lead on mine just screwed with no rubber cover, this did get damp and would stop the bike and would only run if it was bone dry, also if the battery was down on charge the starter motor would take all the juice and leave very little for the coil, if the bike has been dropped of the throttle side there could be a problem with the cut out switch, you may fing also the push connections for the ignition and most of the wiring isnt the best protected. Poor earth on the coil or battery
could cause it, though my mates RE shorted out the starter solernoid with having low battery charge welding the contacts together.
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Originally Posted by tommy10bikes
Hi , the side stand switch from what i can remember doesnt strip down as its a sealed unit, i did find with my TT600R the ht lead on mine just screwed with no rubber cover, this did get damp and would stop the bike and would only run if it was bone dry, also if the battery was down on charge the starter motor would take all the juice and leave very little for the coil, if the bike has been dropped of the throttle side there could be a problem with the cut out switch, you may fing also the push connections for the ignition and most of the wiring isnt the best protected. Poor earth on the coil or battery
could cause it, though my mates RE shorted out the starter solernoid with having low battery charge welding the contacts together.
Good Luck.
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Not dropped it or anything, its been stood in the garage for a fortnight with the battery on one of them optimate trickle chargers, the battery is fine just nothing happens when I press the starter and then it mysteriously starts working again.
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I hate those side stand safety switches..... They couldn't be in a better place to get wet & dirty !!!!
I disconnected my one..... Follow the wire up to the connection under the seat. All you need to do is join the 2 wires together - I soldered mine. Also, check the clutch switch.
Give the starter/stop button a good spray with WD40 or similar. And as said, make sure the battery is good! Sounds like its probably a loose, dodgy or dirty connection
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This sounds very much like a duff sidestand switch. Take the wires off and earth them - if it starts, there's your problem. The fact that the switch seems to be sticky and/or loose makes this more likely.
Sidestand switches seem to be universally unreliable, whatever the bike. If you've got the habit of checking the stand is up before you set off, you don't really need one.
On my XT, the switch was gone long before I had the bike. This is fine by me - less to go wrong.
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This sounds very much like a duff sidestand switch. Take the wires off and earth them - if it starts, there's your problem. The fact that the switch seems to be sticky and/or loose makes this more likely.
Sidestand switches seem to be universally unreliable, whatever the bike. If you've got the habit of checking the stand is up before you set off, you don't really need one.
On my XT, the switch was gone long before I had the bike. This is fine by me - less to go wrong.
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I messed about with the side stand switch today just because it was accessable but I thought afterwards that only kills the engine when you put it in gear with the side stand down, could a fault in that randomly affect the starter button ? the green lights are still on on the clocks.
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On the TTRE the clutch switch means you can start it with the clutch in whilst in gear (TTR does not have this switch). The side stand switch wont let you start it in gear with the side stand down. The kill switch ( which incidently always seems arse about face in operation) cuts the ignition but not the starter motor. If your lights on indicator and neutral indicator on the dash are both on I suspect a problem with the relay/contactor for the starter motor, or the actual push button itself. My wife and I have had 4 TTRE's between us and through thousands of hard miles had no problem like this. The TTR with leg operated starter is, however, another story. Mine languishes looking sexier than its more dowdy siblings but much more fickle about starting, must be female as it only starts when IT wants to.
Just a thought, have you "worked on" anything elctrical on it recently?
In reference to the sidestand switch on the TTR/RE, in my experience through deserts, rivers, snow etc, they never play up... touch wood.
There is a 20A fuse near the battery but I think that kills everything.
The service manual has a fairly comprehensive electrical section, PM me if you haven' got it, good luck.
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Good point - I had forgotten that. The problems I had were with the wiring to the (non-existent) sidestand switch, but they were only when the bike was going.
A faulty neutral switch would give the symptoms you describe. Try earthing the wire to that (side of LH crankcase, in front of gear lever).
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Originally Posted by leigh
On the TTRE the clutch switch means you can start it with the clutch in whilst in gear (TTR does not have this switch). The side stand switch wont let you start it in gear with the side stand down. The kill switch ( which incidently always seems arse about face in operation) cuts the ignition but not the starter motor. If your lights on indicator and neutral indicator on the dash are both on I suspect a problem with the relay/contactor for the starter motor, or the actual push button itself. My wife and I have had 4 TTRE's between us and through thousands of hard miles had no problem like this. The TTR with leg operated starter is, however, another story. Mine languishes looking sexier than its more dowdy siblings but much more fickle about starting, must be female as it only starts when IT wants to.
Just a thought, have you "worked on" anything elctrical on it recently?
In reference to the sidestand switch on the TTR/RE, in my experience through deserts, rivers, snow etc, they never play up... touch wood.
There is a 20A fuse near the battery but I think that kills everything.
The service manual has a fairly comprehensive electrical section, PM me if you haven' got it, good luck.
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No I havent done anything to it but because I hadnt used it for two weeks I put the trickle charger on it and then when I came to use it nothing happened then a couple of mins later it started. I'm going to nip out on it in an hour or so so not sure wether I want it to start straight away or not but if it doesnt I will be able to tamper with that plunger thing on the side stand switch and see if that has anything to do with it, I fear ive broke that anyway and will have to remove it.
When I come back I'm gonna investigate that relay but it will be a sealed unit so not sure what I could do with it ?
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Good point - I had forgotten that. The problems I had were with the wiring to the (non-existent) sidestand switch, but they were only when the bike was going.
A faulty neutral switch would give the symptoms you describe. Try earthing the wire to that (side of LH crankcase, in front of gear lever).
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Yes I would expect a faulty neutral switch would make it think its in gear but the neutral light is on fine.
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