Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Technical, Bike forums > Yamaha Tech
Yamaha Tech Originally the Yamaha XT600 Tech Forum, due to demand it now includes all Yamaha's technical / mechanical / repair / preparation questions.
Photo by Hendi Kaf, in Cambodia

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Hendi Kaf,
in Cambodia



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 29 Oct 2007
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18
XT600 front fork header problems

Hi,

i presently have a problem with steering on my 1995 XT600 and there is a hard spot when i try to steer. i have tried loosening the lock nut found under the upper fron fork header clamp and it solved the problem a bit. it is quite annoying and dangerous and can anyone help? was thinking about dismantling the whole front to check for the bearings?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 30 Oct 2007
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 68
I'd check the headstem bearings. On another brand bike I had they developed evenly spaced brinelling that made the front feel "ratchety" when turning from lock to lock. I'll post a photo tomorrow.

Regards Steve
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 30 Oct 2007
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18
Yo

YO Steve,

many thanks for rapid feedback

will wait for photos and looks like i will need to strip the whole front end

any idea why this happens? and if i better get some spare bearings and dust seals?

Kind regards

JMR
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 30 Oct 2007
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Brum
Posts: 44
Sounds like head bearings are shot. They normally 'wear' a depression in races in the straight ahead position which results in play. This is often noticeable as a clunk when you brake and easily diagnosed if you can lift the front wheel clear of the ground and then push the fork legs front and back - you'll feel the free play at the head-stock. Also, if you turn the bars right and left you'll feel the rough bit in the middle. The tightness you feel is a bit different and may have resulted from the locknut loosening off so the races have become overtightened (have you had the bike long - could a previous owner have tried to take out the free play and overdone it?)

Wear can happen for several reasons: old age and rough roads, bad adjustment (slack) so the bearings are hammered or accelerated wear because they have been adjusted too tight. Or simply they have not been greased enough and/or water has got in and corroded them.

Yours sound shot, so expect to replace the bearings. If they are knackered it's easy enough to do apart from driving out the inner races from the frame as there's often very little of the edge of the bearing race to hit with a drift. Just make sure they come out and the new ones are driven in square.

Set the new ones up so there's no play felt with front in the air (as mentioned above) but whatever you do don't overtighten past this point. Go for a short ride ans check the adjustment again after they have settled in.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 31 Oct 2007
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18
I am new on this forum and i am amazed at how quickly and precise diagnostics from the users are.

many thanks for the advice - its true that problems started happening after i travelled through heavy rain.

Just a last question: how do you grease those bearings? there dont seem to be any greasing points and from the manual it looks as if the bearings are sealed (self lubricating ones)

Many thanks

Regards

JMR
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 31 Oct 2007
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Brum
Posts: 44
Unfortunately you can't grease them without stripping the forks off the bike.

I can't remember the precise details of the XT forks but the vast majority of bikes use the same design of two taper roller bearings topand bottom with little more than a metal dust shield on the top and bottom of the head stock to keep out the dust and water. Some designs are a little better with a rubber seal too. On a road bike this is normally enough to keep the bearings healthy for a few years but clearly the use a bike is subject to (off-road, heavy rain, jet-washing etc.) will affect the chances of getting water past the seals and onto the bearings

A good greasing will go a long way to protecting the bearings despite the inadequacy of the seals, it's just a pain to get at them.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 31 Oct 2007
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 68
OK JMR, here are my fuzzy photos. They are a taered roller bearing, this is the bottom. The lines in the outer race are actually impressions. There are similar impresssions on the innner race. So you can see if you tighten the headstem nut when the rollers are in the impressions, how the bars will get stiff when the rollers leave the impressions.

One of my workmates drilled and tapped the headstem portion of his frame and installed a grease fitting on his HD so he could pump the whole lot full of grease with a gun.

regards
Steve
Attached Thumbnails
XT600 front fork header problems-picture-158.jpg  

XT600 front fork header problems-picture-159.jpg  

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 5 Nov 2007
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18
many thanks for the info and the pics

it will surely help and i am planning to strip the whole thingy next week end - i am not very trained at this and hope wont end up with some "extra" parts lying next to the bike once i am done!!:confused1:

good idea about putting grease nipples and will see if it can be done

Many thanks
JMR
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Front fork oil Guy Scheveneels Yamaha Tech 6 27 May 2018 14:24
How bad is a leaking front fork??? Chris of Motocross Africa KTM Tech 14 24 Oct 2007 00:12
XT600 front wheel for sale Daves TRAVEL Equipment for Sale / Wanted 1 10 Feb 2007 20:33
Abandoned XT600 with missing front end erik66 Yamaha Tech 1 29 Jul 2006 12:22
Known problems with a 1993 XT600? Paul Thoreson Yamaha Tech 1 27 Jul 2006 22:12

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

25 years of HU Events
Be sure to join us for this huge milestone!

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

Virginia: April 24-27
Queensland is back! May 2-5
Ecuador June 13-15
Germany Summer: May 29-June 1
CanWest: July 10-13
Switzerland: Date TBC
Ecuador: Date TBC
Romania: Date TBC
Austria: Sept. 11-14
California: September 18-21
France: September 19-21
Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 20:32.