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Originally Posted by bigjl
Interesting point of view Moggy.
I didn't actually mention the British Army but did mention that i had a soft spot for LR products.
Funnily enough when LAS went from LDV Convoy V8 ambulances to the Sprinters there was actually an increase in breakdowns.
The LDV's were considered unreliable by some. Until the Sprinters costing twice as much showed that most breakdowns were caused by 24/7 usage in dense traffic.
The simple LDV could be fixed with a hammer and gaffer tape the Sprinters could not.
The retired LDV's are now in Cuba and Mongolia still being used.
The ones in Cuba have been there for over 10 yrs now and were over 10 yrs old when they were donated.
My point about considering what the Army use is that they need vehicles that are simple to fix without the need for a workshop and diagnostic equipment.
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I presumed the British army just because very few others use them, which rather proves the point! The wolf is of course also a very different beast to those available to civvies, which is why Ranulph Feinnes specified wolf spec vehicles for his round the world trek.
The British Army don't mend their own vehicles anymore. Wolfs were under contract from landrover, Army mechanics weren't allowed anywhere near them.
The new sprinters are not good. Mercedes quality seems to have really taken a dive over the last decade. My mate worked for merc man and boy, from apprentice to workshop manager. He now runs his own garage and advised me not to by a merc van when my van needed replacing!
BTW, I am also a landie fan, I have owned series, defenders and even a 101, but their reliability and build quality means that now I own Toyotas. I would love another landie, but at the moment I need more than they can deliver.
I had hoped when Ford took over we would see a change in the policy of how landrovers are built. A nice big Iveco engine and development it so desperately needs from a Bona Fide commercial vehicle builder, but it didn't happen. Now it's in the hands of another manufacturer also with good commercial credentials, but the picture seems unchanged.
It breaks my heart TBH the way landrover have gone, and soon we will see nothing but SUVs built for taking the kids to school from them.
IMHO what they should be doing is developing a truck like the Hilux, with a 3ltr engine and decently made but it seems most manufacturers are bowing to price pressure and dumbing down the quality of their products. Commercial quality doesn't seem to exist anymore. Navara, Amarok etc all have significant reliability and build quality issues.