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I have a question hopefully one you can help me with. I'm currently planning a RTW motorcycle trip starting in 2022. I'm planning on doing it in 3 stages due to seasonal work commitments. I was planning on leaving my motorcycle at my Brother's house in Manly (Sydney Australia) for 4 months, before completing the Sydney to London leg, but just discovered the Carnet de Passage does not allow for this?? Does anyone on here know of any other options that might be available to me where I can leave the motorbike for 4 months before continuing my journey??? Is the Carnet de Passage attached to your passport in Australia??
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Where does it say you can't?
As long as the bike leaves the country within the time limit imposed by the country, the carnet is irrelevant. Where the carnet comes in is if the bike DOES NOT leave the country, then the country puts in a claim to the Carnet issuer for the funds.
The carnet is NOT on your passport.
In theory you could arrive with the bike on day 1, fly out, come back on "Country Requirement Last day possible" -1, and drive out with it immediately. No issue. UNLESS the country requires the bike to leave with you, and tracks both. I don't know of anywhere they do that - but doesn't mean someone doesn't. (Of course the Carnet must be VALID for the entire time.)
Anyone else with more info?
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Conditions of use
It comes under the "conditions of use" section and states "The vehicle that is covered by a Carnet CPD must not remain in Australia when the owner is not in Australia".
I just understood it to mean you have to be in Australia whilst the bike is there??? Am I wrong in saying that?? Thanks
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very interesting - that is clearly an Australian regulation as it specifically says Australia. And, it IS a problem. You might be tempted to sneak in and out, but that won't work because Australia stamps your passport, and they will see that you've been in and out when you return. Questions is, do they mark in your passport that you are there with a bike and a Carnet? Hmmm...
I would write, now, and ASK them if there is any flexibility on that, give them the details and see what they say. Given that it's at your Australian? brothers it may work out. Let us know what you find out!
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It comes under the "conditions of use" section and states "The vehicle that is covered by a Carnet CPD must not remain in Australia when the owner is not in Australia".
I just understood it to mean you have to be in Australia whilst the bike is there??? Am I wrong in saying that?? Thanks
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You're not allowed to leave without the bike.
Also the bike has to be legally registered in your home country (valid plates).
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I left my norwegian plated bike in Australia where it was temporary imported on a Carnet while I was away for approx 1,5 months Christmas and New Year 2015-2016. Before I did that I was in contact with the Australian Border Force and National Temporary Import and Securities enforcement and intervention dept and questioned them about this issue. According to them it was perfectly legit to leave my bike in Australia as long as I had a fair reason for that. My reason was a wish to travel home to Norway and see family and friends which I havent seen for 1,5 years during christmas and new year. That was a perfectly valid reason for them.
All I had to do was to send them an email with all the details of my bike, the details of the Carnet it was temporary imported on and the contact-person and adress in Australia where the bike should be stored while I was away. And another notification mail when I got back.
So according to Australian Border Force and Temporary Import Securities and Intervention dept - its perfectly legal to store a bike thats temporary imported on a Carnet in Australia when the owner is away if there is a legit and valid reason for that.
But - this was 5 years ago and it could of course has changed since then. I suggest you contact the above mentioned dept and question them.
Best of luck!
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I need some advise on shipping a bike to Australia, possibly Sydney or Melbourne. Can you tell me (or give me the websites) the requirements and restrictions on shipping my bike from Vancouver.
I did ship a bike to Europe and that was a simple affair (i.e. no carnet requirement). How long can I keep a bike in OZ? Would I be required to have my bike pass an inspection in OZ? Can insurance coverage be bought prior to arriving in OZ?
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You need a carnet (Unfortunately this is more of a hassle and expense in Canada than many other places). You can keep the bike in Australia as long as the carnet is valid - I believe that a Canadian carnet can be extended once. There are ways to get another once after that...
You don;t need the inspection since you're not importing the bike and registering it in Australia - it does have to be legal in BC. You can get CTP on the phone - the insurers may tell you that it's not possible but it is. We found CTP from Queensland, and found (after some searching) that it covered us for all of Australia. NSW, as others note, includes CTP in fuel prices, however you'll need CTP if your bike is not registered in NSW (which it will not).
Although you can do the customs clearance yourself I suggest an agent - we used Colless Young and they are excellent.
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Weblookup VSB10 has the requirements for entering under a carnet - the only way if you are a tourist.
Quarantine cleaning to "as new standard". You have to be present and pay for the inspection.
Sydney is easier as you can ride out of the port without having to get inspections or permits from the State Government - other States require roadworthy inspections and "overseas registered vehicle permits".
Federal Government controls the entry of vehicles into Australia, but once in Australia the State Governments take over.
If you have a day you can do all the entry paperwork without a customs broker - get the carnet stamped by customs, get the clearance from the shipping company (pay any handling fees), get the quarantine inspection and clearance stamped, usually the customs inspection is done at the same time - push the bike to the gate and then ride off into the Sunset. Invariably the shipping company's offices will be on the opposite side of Sydney to the customs offices - so get a friend or a taxi to run you around.
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I'd avoid NSW because of the CTP issue.
You don't need require roadworthy inspections and "overseas registered vehicle permits" since you'll be on the carnet.
We didn't need to be present for the quarantine check - in fact I don't think we'd have been allowed into the bonded area. We did a very good cleaning prior to shipping and Australian customs were happy - no cleaning required, no cost, no problem.
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Originally Posted by Steve Ackerlay
I have a question hopefully one you can help me with. I'm currently planning a RTW motorcycle trip starting in 2022. I'm planning on doing it in 3 stages due to seasonal work commitments. I was planning on leaving my motorcycle at my Brother's house in Manly (Sydney Australia) for 4 months, before completing the Sydney to London leg, but just discovered the Carnet de Passage does not allow for this?? Does anyone on here know of any other options that might be available to me where I can leave the motorbike for 4 months before continuing my journey??? Is the Carnet de Passage attached to your passport in Australia??
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I'd check on the carnet conditions - we left our vehicle in Argentina to return home (visa requirements) and had no problem. In Brazil they record the vehicle TIP and link it to your passport but I don't think they do this in Australia.
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Originally Posted by Steve Ackerlay
It comes under the "conditions of use" section and states "The vehicle that is covered by a Carnet CPD must not remain in Australia when the owner is not in Australia".
I just understood it to mean you have to be in Australia whilst the bike is there??? Am I wrong in saying that?? Thanks
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AHa - you have already checked. You could look into whether you could put the bike into bond while out of the country - then it's technically not "in Australia".
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PS: don;t worry about getting a toll pass - you don;t pay tolls in Australia if you're using a foreign vehicle/bike.
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Thanks for all the positive comments, at least I now know there is the possibility to leave the bike in Australia for a brief time. I will start making enquiries immediately just to be on the safe side. Thanks to all
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