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Its what I use...
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Depends on what you mean by "open" helmet - moto-cross or pilot type helmet? The enduro is ok, but the second type I consider as potentially dangerous, no matter how good your riding skills are. Things do happen now & then, like broken jaw etc. when going for a loop.
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Vaufi, I totally agree on your points there. But the Enduro type lid & Goggles are no good if you are a spectacle wearer like Myself. I can't wear Contacts, tried n Failed at that. so what do I do?
So, I use a fully open lid. Jet style, OK, it offers no lower face protection, and I know that, it is a risk I am prepared to take. I have ridden perhaps most of my road miles and definitely all my off road miles in a lid of this type. I know the risks and wont moan if I lose half my face if /when I come off!
I DO own a full face lid, and I hate it... I feel claustrophobic in it. I only wear that if on a long journey on road now.
As for a Broken Jaw, Yes, Been there, done that! ( Pushbike)
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I use a schuberth J1 also this is great, its open face has a removable Bar type chin jaw protector a flip down dark visor as well a superb full face clear shield visor, the helmet is very comfortable and stable at all speeds, even the visor up position the helmet is fine at speeds upto 100mph without the visor flipping down and virtually no drag from the visor being up either. I have used this helmet since its release on the market about 2 1/2 years now and have never returned to wearing a full face since. The internal ventilation works really well as well giving a definate stream of air jetted onto the top of your head cooling the bonce when its hotter. I ride all weather snow rain sun whatever and find the helmet warm and comfortable in every situation ( save for a bit coolness around the chin (a windstopper tube saves that problem). downside is its pricy - currently about £250 from some retailers.
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Full face.
For me, the likely damage to your face in the event of a crash is too horrendous to consider wearing an open face. I have worn a motorcross lid with goggles for when its raining or windy etc and this has been fine. I should point out that I have always had the Arai fullface too and do not find it claustrophobic, but the motorcross lid was used on our S America trip to good effect. It was very airy.
Like Martynbiker, I also wear glasses: always have done and I have never had problems with googles. However, my frames are not massive, but they are not tiny either...
I really do feel that, if a conventional full face is not to yor taste, a motorcross lid is your best bet for ventilation (but it will be noisy at speed). Flip-up lids? These look like to be a nice compromise, but in the UK they are only classed as a Type A EC approved lid with the chin section down. Once raised the helmet no longer conforms: something to consider from an insurance point of view...
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It worries me too you know......
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Full face.
For me, the likely damage to your face in the event of a crash is too horrendous to consider wearing an open face. I have worn a motorcross lid with goggles for when its raining or windy etc and this has been fine.
Like Martynbiker, I also wear glasses: always have done and I have never had problems with googles. However, my frames are not massive, but they are not tiny either...
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It worries me too, and I would love to find a Motocross lid & Goggles that will fit correctly.
What Make of Helmet? & What Brand of Goggles? Please?
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It worries me too, and I would love to find a Motocross lid & Goggles that will fit correctly.
What Make of Helmet? & What Brand of Goggles? Please?
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I've got a pair of OTG (Over The Glasses) goggles and a Lazer motorcross helmet. The combination works very well for me.
Goggles also worked with previous helmet as well.
I think the goggles are Scott but we've just moved house and whilst I know what box they are in I haven't got to it yet.
I have found the receipt for them though and whilst it doesn't show the make it says they are model 87 and I'm pretty certain they are by Scott.
I'm afraid I'm a couple of days away from getting to the box they are in but I'll confirm when I get there.
Moving house eh, try and avoid it if you can.
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I know this is probably going to sound daft to some but what exactly are the differences between a Moto X lid and a road orientated helmet?
I can see they are a slightly different shape but other than that I know not a lot?
The BIG question is are they as SAFE as a road lid?
Are they a better alternative in the Summer months when it hots up?
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I know this is probably going to sound daft to some but what exactly are the differences between a Moto X lid and a road orientated helmet?
I can see they are a slightly different shape but other than that I know not a lot?
The BIG question is are they as SAFE as a road lid?
Are they a better alternative in the Summer months when it hots up?
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Basically, a peak to help keep the flying stones and mud at bay combined with goggles (easy(ish) to change them) in place of a visor.
The Arai Tour X (and one or two more like it) are a compromise with the road going helmet in that it uses a visor with the detachable peak.
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Thnx!
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I've got a pair of OTG (Over The Glasses) goggles and a Lazer motorcross helmet. The combination works very well for me.
Goggles also worked with previous helmet as well.
I think the goggles are Scott but we've just moved house and whilst I know what box they are in I haven't got to it yet.
I have found the receipt for them though and whilst it doesn't show the make it says they are model 87 and I'm pretty certain they are by Scott.
I'm afraid I'm a couple of days away from getting to the box they are in but I'll confirm when I get there.
Moving house eh, try and avoid it if you can.
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Thank you.
and im allergic to house moves....... did 7 in 7 years..... I couldnt find stuff for YEARS after!
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Hi, there is a risk with driving with a flip-up helmet open. The slightly higher weight can damage your neck if you take a fall since the weight of the flip-up front is up and above your face, almost on top of your head.
Just keep in mind when driving like that...
(Using a Shoei Syncrotech II at work.)
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Hi, there is a risk with driving with a flip-up helmet open. The slightly higher weight can damage your neck if you take a fall since the weight of the flip-up front is up and above your face, almost on top of your head.
Just keep in mind when driving like that...
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Pushbikes are dangerous
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I DO own a full face lid, and I hate it... I feel claustrophobic in it. I only wear that if on a long journey on road now.
As for a Broken Jaw, Yes, Been there, done that! ( Pushbike)
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You weren't going too fast on your pushbike, were you? Be honest :-)
I'm so used to my closed helmet - sometimes it's even protection from heat. In Africa temps once reached nearly 50°C. Closing all vents was more comfortable than incoming air, which felt like the blast of the furnace .
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You weren't going too fast on your pushbike, were you? Be honest :-)
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Yep, I was, I was 15 and on my Dads Bike too.  Bent the frame! 
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JohnW,
Hope you recovered from that crash.
I agree with you because I had an open face and got smacked on the cheek by a Locust, I crashed in a motocross race and my chin bar got ripped off, although I only ended up with a mouth full of sand and a broken wrist.
I have a Lazer flip front which I find heavy, noisy and won't stay up but handy at fuel stations and police checkpoints.
My latest is a Suomy full face which I think is the best helmet I have ever had and my glasses fit great but then I did pay 2,000 Saudi Riyals for it.
Cheers
Ian 
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JohnW,
I have a Lazer flip front which I find heavy, noisy and won't stay up but handy at fuel stations and police checkpoints.
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Ian,
I used to have a Lazer flip up, complete with a pull down sun visor inside the normal visor - this all seemed like a great idea in the shop.
But, it was heavy, I rarely (if ever) used the sun visor and I didn't flip the front very often either - so it was sold.
Currently, like you, I am using only full face helmets.
Yes, I agree (I think this is what most people are saying) - don't ride with the flip front helmet in the "up" position, as John is doing in his first pic.
IIRRC (I read John's post on the other website some time ago) he went over the bars and split his lip on the windscreen - which may be a higher than average touring screen?
Anyway, I guess there would have been less injury, pain, nause etc if the flipper was closed during the impact.
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Lazer Sun Visor
Dave,
I used to use the sun visor but because of the slide fitting dirt used to make a line down the centre which was a distraction. 
The helmet was noisey especilly when you turned your head to the side to look round.
My Suomy is a race helmet by Drudi Performance for Ducati. 
I have kept my Lazer for any passenger who hasn't got a helmet.
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