1Likes
|
|
27 May 2009
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Nairobi Port Alfred London
Posts: 210
|
|
Hello Warthog,
I am still trying to get my head around the dog / better half - warmth comments, I'm not 100% sure... but I'm going with the better half not being the doggie right?
Isolating the insulation is the solution, and there are two way that you can improve your current circumstances without resorting to a new sleeping bag.
1> Decent (raised) ground insulation Thermarests, inflatable mattresses etc
2> A Goretex bivi bag, that your sleeping bag goes inside all inside the tent.
Other ways include a waterproof ground sheet with a blanket on top of the ground sheet, underneath the tent base make sure that your flysheet overlaps the ground sheet.
If youre still battling, a blanket draped over the inner tent, underneath the flysheet, easier on A frame type tents
Oh and as for combining sleeping bags with double zippers this doesnt help to keep warm, the "hot thing" inside the sleeping bag with you helps to keep warm.
However I cant help feeling that both your better half and doggie may not like you as much if you continue in your current manner.
Cheers G
|
27 May 2009
|
|
The franglais-riders
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 1,185
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linzi
Hi, with a down bag the bottom of the bag will be packed flat giving next to no insulation from heat loss downwards due to transmission. The answer is a closed cell mat under the self inflating mat. Also Alpkit bags are generously wide for tapered bags-not full-on mummy bags. But down needs to be well aired each day to avoid becoming less effective. Linzi.
|
Linzi is right. In addition to my thermarest and down sleeping bag I used sometime my sheep skin under my sleeping bag to isolate from the cold ground. It did make a lot of difference.
Sheep sking is great stuff: during the day you ride on it, at night you can use as seat, pillow or to sleep!
And when it was really THAT cold I wrapped myself with a space blanket. Noisy when I moved, I looked like a Xmas cracker but it works great!
|
27 May 2009
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Tallinn, Estonia
Posts: 1,049
|
|
Some clarity is needed.
Normally, when camping, my girlfriend and I zip the two bags together to sleep. Up to -2 or 3 ish this has been toasty. I recognise that the best insulation is when you are in your own bag, but this was not necessary on that occassion. We sleep on Thermarests, and bike kit.
On ths night in question, I was camping alone, apart from our dog who came with me. I slept in my bag, atop some bike kit, and a well inflated thermarest. The tent was pitched on snow, on a footprint. It snbowed throughout the night and the tent was covered. I had though that might insulate too... The dog, luckily for her, was just curled up along side me on her sheepskin. I did not try to stuff her into my sleeping bag, although I considered at about 4 am!!
Since then I have also bought a closed cell foam mattress to go under the Thermarest, also... Thankfully it is now about 20-25 degrees!
I am thinking of buying a bvi bag too, but this is not a goretex one. I simply don't have the funds to pay £150, when a PVC one should be as protective and about a fifth of the price... For when I need it, Goretex is OTT.
__________________
Adventure: it's an experience, not a style!
(so ride what you like, but ride it somewhere new!)
|
27 May 2009
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Sheffield, UK
Posts: 37
|
|
Coming into overlanding from a mountaineering background I've just kind of carried over all the methods I've used previously.
Down is the only choice for lightness and low weight. Care is needed to keep the bag dry, but is relatively easy. Light condensation etc, if fine, but prolonged dampness is bad. Air the bag every chance you get.
For this reason do not use a pvc bivi bag inside the tent - emergencies only.
A RAB Survival Zone bivi bag is good for this, but will not insulate much. (not cheap either - but very small)
Get a bag with a neck baffle (elastic draw string at neck height) and hood. Uncomfortable the first time you use them, but incredibly effective. If you don't like the feeling of the hood over your head, wear a hat, lots of heat loss comes from the noggin.
All good bags are likely to be mummy shaped - reducing the volume of moving air in the bag increases the warmth. This is the idea behind the silk liner - also very worth while - adds extra warmth for virtually no weight (keeps the bag clean too). I bought a length of horrible coloured silk from a sari shop in Sheffield and sewed up two sides. Voila, silk liner for a fiver.
I've been using a Mountain Equipment Dragon Classic 800 for about 5 years now. - not the lightest bag, but cheap (relatively) and effective.
I bought mine form 'Magic Mountain' the Mountain Equipment factory outlet in Glossop, UK. Cost me about £50(!) They have a constantly changing stock, so keep trying them. They also have a massive summer and winter sale at the factory just down the road for two days a year - also worth trying if you're able to get to it...
Thermarest is excellent idea - should be all you need ground insulation wise.
Food before sleeping is also essential. As is keeping well hydrated. Keeps the blood thin and circulating.
If I'm cold before getting into my bag at night, e.g. just put up the tent, sweat starting to congeal on the skin - I run around for a while to warm up before getting into the bag.
At the end of the day one cold night will feel pretty cold whatever you do, a week of them and you start not to notice it!
Sorry for the long post - spent a large part of my life so far working in climbing/outdoor gear shops!
|
7 Apr 2019
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 48
|
|
Personally, I hate narrow bags despite their supposed superior performance.
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Next HU Events
ALL Dates subject to change.
2025 Confirmed Events:
- Virginia: April 24-27 2025
- Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
- Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
- CanWest: July 10-13 2025
- Switzerland: Date TBC
- Ecuador: Date TBC
- Romania: Date TBC
- Austria: Sept. 11-15
- California: September 18-21
- France: September 19-21 2025
- Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025
Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!
Questions about an event? Ask here
See all event details
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...
2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.
"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)
Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.
Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.
Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!
What others say about HU...
"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia
"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK
"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia
"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA
"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada
"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa
"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia
"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany
Lots more comments here!
Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook
"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.
Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!
New to Horizons Unlimited?
New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!
Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.
Read more about Grant & Susan's story
Membership - help keep us going!
Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.
You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.
|
|
|