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I am not rich so don't have the funds to spend a lot on equipment and bikes. Good gear is nice to have though. Of course, anything you take on a long journey can and has fallen off the back of the bike or been left in a guesthouse. It is much less painful to lose things that didn't cost much. Which is why I buy top quality gear for a fraction of the price. The thing is, there are loads of dreamers who think they might like to take up camping or motorcycling around the world only to find out that they haven't time or focus to do so. After some time their gear is on ebay, craigslist, at garage sales, or in the classifieds. Every day. Want a 400.00 Shoei helmet size medium? Let's see. Here's a fellow whose wife left him and he hates the maroon Shoei that reminds him of her. It wasn't until they got married that she told him she hates motorcycles and he rides too fast. Good riddance. He sells it to me for 50.00. I wonder if she was a babe? It still smelled like her perfume and fits perfect. Not a great color but it's like brand new, who cares? Same thing with riding jacket and pants. Here's a fellow who did some asphalt surfing and is embarassed to ride in his lightly roadrashed Firstgear jacket and pants. Waterproof breathable with cozy polarfleece zipout liners. Probably cost hundreds new. I offer him 100.00 for the pair and save big for decent gear with a scuffed elbow and a small hole in the butt. Nothing some black duct tape can't fix. Same with boots. An anal-retentive fellow who has a pair of Sidi riding boots with a slight flaw in the leather that he finds unsightly but can't return. Size 10, fit like a glove. He's a bit nuts and they are worthless to him. Surely they cost him more than twenty bucks? But that's what he sells them for. Or the top of the line down bag that the fellow slept with a little too close to the campfire and has an ember hole and hasn't used since. In fact he hasn't been camping since. It turns out he has a bad back and can't sleep on the ground. Who knew? Duct tape comes in colors that match and soon I have a killer bag with compression sack. Black Diamond tripod bivvy same deal. Anything you want is available for a fraction of the price used if you don't mind waiting until something pops up in the classifieds.
Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against folks who have the money to spend on expensive bikes and outfitting them with expensive new gear. I turned minimalist out of necessity and have come to enjoy the freedom from worry that having nothing expensive to steal on the bike affords.
The thing is, if you are poor, you have to be creative and patient. Spending less is an art. Not everyone can tolerate used gear, bikes and clothes. It requires a certain amount of flexibility. And if you like shiny new things or are fixated on finding a specific brand of something then this method probably isn't for you. But there is a certain amount of freedom to be had by not bringing anything you can't walk away from on a long journey.
Kindest regards,
John Downs
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I paid £160 in 1990 for a Vango tent, I used it constantly for 20 years before it went in the bin, it never once let me down. It worked out at £8 a year.
I then bought a wee dome tent from Tesco for £13, which I used constantly until the autumn there, in 2 years it never once let me down. Worked out at £6.50 a year.
Not much in it.
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The essentials. Attitude.
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Originally Posted by John Downs
But there is a certain amount of freedom to be had by not bringing anything you can't walk away from on a long journey.
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Any thing can be stolen. You must be able to continue after the theft. If you regard something as essential to your trip, well it isn't apart from yourself and your attitude.
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Originally Posted by Smokin
I was thinking about getting a new tent for a trip, so I popped down to a local shop and saw the prices but they were extravagantly high. A few years ago, I went over to Europe and I had a very cheap, £10-20 tent and it did the job perfectly fine. It was waterproof, had good ventilation and so on, which makes me wonder how exactly companies can charge £100-200 for a one man tent. I just don't see any value there at all. They might be slightly better, yeah, but a tent is a tent, surely? I certainly don't see enough difference between the one I had a few years ago and a high end one now.
I think quite a few camping/survival items are overpriced. Ground sheets, for example. For what they are, there is no way they're worth £25 or whatever you can get charged.
Anyway...rant over! haha
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If you are Coleman selling through Wallmart, you order up 50,000 tents per year from China and the design is such to only last a few outings before the zipper gives up the ghost, then you need to re-purchase next year. These tents are cheap and junk.
1 Coleman for 5 outings at $125.00 then failure or a Kelty type quality for $289 and 100 outings before failure.
I personally spend way more because it's worth it knowing the tent isn't going to fail.
I have the Redverz tent as well and it takes me about 15 minutes to set up and tear down. Just need to keep the water proof gear on until the tent is up. Packing it up while raining is not fun, especially the folding and rolling it up. So, I purchased the side loading waterproof bag they sell just to stuff it in when I'm in a hurry.
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