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Central America in July
Hello all
I hope some of you can give me some advice. I'm planning to meet a friend who is travelling Canada-Ushuaia by bike, beginning next month. I want to meet my friend in Central America in mid- to late-July. My arrival + departure points and timing is totally flexible, so I can join him whenever and wherever in Central Am is best/ easiest.
I live in Delhi, and have never riden a bike before. I'm currently learning, 8 lessons in. It's a bit frightening on these streets. I'm learning on a Honda 125cc.
My first question is: 1. am I crazy? Is it possible in 6-8 weeks to get to a stage of being confident enough to ride a bike through Central America? My friend, who is doing the ride for work (researching a book), says realistically I should plan for riding 500kms a day on long days, and up to speeds of 90km/hr, on a 400cc bike, or at the very least a 250cc. He'll of course try to take it easy on the days I am travelling with him, but at the same time I can't be a complete tortoise.
The rest of the questions I have are below. Apologies if they are very novice:
2. Can foreign tourists (I'm UK citizen) rent bikes easily in Central America?
3. If I fly in to, say, Mexico City, or Belize City, can I rent a bike there and take it across the border to the next country on the itinerary?
3. If you can take bikes rented across borders, or for long stretches within a country, do rental companies allow for shipping bikes back (ie. we won't be travelling in a circle so how do I get the bike back?)
4. If no to the above, then is the only option buying a bike? I'm on a bit of a budget, so is it possible to buy a second-hand bike? (Paperwork, how would I find one, etc) And then I would have to make sure I get the TVIP (I think I read that is what it's called) at every border crossing, right?
5. Would another option be renting bikes for part of the journey - eg. in places where renting a bike is easier and the route offers a way of returning it to the original point - and riding pillion with my friend for the parts where it's more difficult. My pal has a 650cc but it will be a bit heavily loaded so he thinks a couple of days pillion here and there would be ok, but not really more than that.
6. His route is Mexico - Yucatan Pen - Belize - eastern Guatemala - Honduras - western Nicaragua - Costa Rica - Panama - and then on. If anyone knows bikes are easier to rent in certain of these countries, please let me know.
I'd really appreciate any help. Thanks very much.
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My first question is: 1. am I crazy?
No.
Is it possible in 6-8 weeks to get to a stage of being confident enough to ride a bike through Central America?
Depends on your route.
My friend, who is doing the ride for work (researching a book), says realistically I should plan for riding 500kms a day on long days, and up to speeds of 90km/hr, on a 400cc bike, or at the very least a 250cc. He'll of course try to take it easy on the days I am travelling with him, but at the same time I can't be a complete tortoise.
That's about right.
The rest of the questions I have are below. Apologies if they are very novice:
2. Can foreign tourists (I'm UK citizen) rent bikes easily in Central America?
Not really, some beaters are expensive and available but there are not a lot of options.
3. If I fly in to, say, Mexico City, or Belize City, can I rent a bike there and take it across the border to the next country on the itinerary?
I highly doubt that you will be taking the bike across borders unless the company specifically offers this advantage and you have all the paperwork you will need.
3. If you can take bikes rented across borders, or for long stretches within a country, do rental companies allow for shipping bikes back (ie. we won't be travelling in a circle so how do I get the bike back?)
I have never heard of that but perhaps someone else has.
4. If no to the above, then is the only option buying a bike? I'm on a bit of a budget, so is it possible to buy a second-hand bike? (Paperwork, how would I find one, etc) And then I would have to make sure I get the TVIP (I think I read that is what it's called) at every border crossing, right?
Bikes are expensive in the 3rd world unless you are buying a used Chinese small CC range beater. You might get lucky and find yourself a good deal on a KLR 650 that someone is leaving behind. Just a week ago on this forum a guy was going to dump a Honda 125cc at the Mexico City airport.
Take a look for the thread, maybe you can score that bike!
5. Would another option be renting bikes for part of the journey - eg. in places where renting a bike is easier and the route offers a way of returning it to the original point - and riding pillion with my friend for the parts where it's more difficult. My pal has a 650cc but it will be a bit heavily loaded so he thinks a couple of days pillion here and there would be ok, but not really more than that.
Renting bikes is not as easy as you might think it to be. It isn't the USA.
6. His route is Mexico - Yucatan Pen - Belize - eastern Guatemala - Honduras - western Nicaragua - Costa Rica - Panama - and then on. If anyone knows bikes are easier to rent in certain of these countries, please let me know.
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See if you can get hold of Garry Dymond and get the info on what happened to the Honda 125 that was going to be dumped.
Here is the link. Act fast.
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...r-mexico-64218
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Thanks, and Garry: are you out there
Thanks so much, MikeMike. Appreciate your help.
Garry Dymond: Heeelllloooo, are you out there?? I can't PM you as I don't have enough posts yet. Will keep trying.
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Garry is usually watching things here that concern Mex.
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We have the 125 that was dumped. I have to figure out how to legalize it and if that goes well my wife will learn to ride on it.
You won't be able to rent a bike and take it across borders. The only person I know who rents bikes in Mexico is Oscar Calderon. I think his company is called www.mexmotoadv.com . He rents 650 KLRs, BMWF650's and a 650 V-strom. Cost is around $100 a day. He will rent in Mexico City and let you leave the bike in Cancun. I think he only rents to experienced riders.
You could buy a Honda 125 Tool which costs about $15,000 pesos or just over $1,000 dlls. This would allow you to go across borders and you could sell it or dump it at the end of your trip.
If you come to Mexico City you can stay with us. my email is garrydymond @ prodigy.net .mx (just put it all together)
Hope this helps.
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You won't be able to rent a bike and take it across borders. The only person I know who rents bikes in Mexico is Oscar Calderon. I think his company is called www.mexmotoadv.com .
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It's "www.mxmotoadv.com"
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Hi Victoria,
Dont get me wrong or take it personaly or so but i dont think after two months you will be able to ride a bike like someone who has done this for years. Take a look at the Film "Long way down" how the result looks like.
Im shure he would love your company but its not fun to ride behind a beginner for a long time so may be ask him if you could come with him on the same bike as a Sozia. Just bring your own helmet
Transafrika - Motorbike Experdition to southafrica part 2
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Originally Posted by Vixonella
Hello all
Hi Victoria,
I hope some of you can give me some advice. I'm planning to meet a friend who is travelling Canada-Ushuaia by bike, beginning next month. I want to meet my friend in Central America in mid- to late-July. My arrival + departure points and timing is totally flexible, so I can join him whenever and wherever in Central Am is best/ easiest.
I live in Guatemala and this is what I can tell you from my experience. I just traveled to Costa Rica in Feb. Buying a bike in Belize will cause you a lot of headache. The best way to travel CA-4 (Centro America -4) is on a bike with plates from Guate/Honduras/Salvador/Nicaragua. Mexican, Belizean, Costa Rican or Panamanian plates are bound to be a problem. As far as I know you can cross the CA-4 borders with the bike titled on someone else's name, Coming from Belize, going into CR or Panama it will have to be in your name. Buying a good used bike, like Mikemike said is next to impossible. Very hard to obtain a 250. What's your budget? I know of a honda Tornado 2010 new, but the dealer wants about $USD3500 for it still
I live in Delhi, and have never riden a bike before. I'm currently learning, 8 lessons in. It's a bit frightening on these streets. I'm learning on a Honda 125cc.
From what I hear, Very few places are as frightening as Delhi, you should be good. My wife started riding on a Honda Titan 150, moved up to a YS250 yamaha in a month and we rode to Mex (Guadalajara) six months later. Riding in CA is not that bad or hard
My first question is: 1. am I crazy? Is it possible in 6-8 weeks to get to a stage of being confident enough to ride a bike through Central America? My friend, who is doing the ride for work (researching a book), says realistically I should plan for riding 500kms a day on long days, and up to speeds of 90km/hr, on a 400cc bike, or at the very least a 250cc. He'll of course try to take it easy on the days I am travelling with him, but at the same time I can't be a complete tortoise.
The roads here are better traveled on under 250cc bikes anyway. Big bikes are more of a hindrance. A 125cc will take you places at an average 80kms/h. More than sufficient, you will feel more confident on a small bike and it will also be easier to pick up. Not that you will drop it....
The rest of the questions I have are below. Apologies if they are very novice:
2. Can foreign tourists (I'm UK citizen) rent bikes easily in Central America?
NO. I know of two places that rent bikes in CA. CATOURS in Antigua, and another place in Managua. I don't believe they do oneway rentals.
3. If I fly in to, say, Mexico City, or Belize City, can I rent a bike there and take it across the border to the next country on the itinerary?
See above comments.
3. If you can take bikes rented across borders, or for long stretches within a country, do rental companies allow for shipping bikes back (ie. we won't be travelling in a circle so how do I get the bike back?)
See above comments.
4. If no to the above, then is the only option buying a bike? I'm on a bit of a budget, so is it possible to buy a second-hand bike? (Paperwork, how would I find one, etc) And then I would have to make sure I get the TVIP (I think I read that is what it's called) at every border crossing, right?
Honda has just introduced a new 125cc bike here. It is the equivalent to the honda ACE125 sold in Africa and other parts of the world. As a reference the price in SA $627, here $1200. Should be reliable, but not sure how easy to sell in Panama. I think getting the bike titled would take about a week. Best bikes are in the USA, but bringing it to Guatemala would cost a pretty penny. Buying a used bike for the intent to travel 2000 to 2500 kms is a crap shoot, specially if the bike is not a common bike here. Looking for a reliable bike for a oneway trip like yours, I would consider the Honda, put it in my name to avoid border problems and dump it, cut my losses at the end of the trip
5. Would another option be renting bikes for part of the journey - eg. in places where renting a bike is easier and the route offers a way of returning it to the original point - and riding pillion with my friend for the parts where it's more difficult. My pal has a 650cc but it will be a bit heavily loaded so he thinks a couple of days pillion here and there would be ok, but not really more than that.
possible, but you will waste a lot of time searching for such bikes. Like I said here in Guatemala CATOURS (search here in the HUBB for them) rents bikes locally and even offer tours
6. His route is Mexico - Yucatan Pen - Belize - eastern Guatemala - Honduras - western Nicaragua - Costa Rica - Panama - and then on. If anyone knows bikes are easier to rent in certain of these countries, please let me know.
I'd really appreciate any help. Thanks very much.
Victoria
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buy a NEW bike here in Guatemala, consider it your ticket to Panama and forget about it. $1200 for the CB1 125 (ACE elsewhere in the world) for a 6-8 week ride is not much in the scheme of things. For about $1500-1700 you could have a Carburated Yamaha YBR125, a Suzuki EN125. For about $2000 a honda Invicta 150, for $2600 a Yamaha FZ16 or a Honda XR125L. Chinese bikes can be had for less, but do you want to risk breakdowns on such a limited time?
Let me know if I can be of any help to you from this end. I don't know if I will be around in July, but if I am, I will be more than happy to accompany you and your friend through part of your adventure, plus it would be good for my wife to travel with another female for a while, not many female riders in the area. WORD OF ADVICE: bring all your riding gear with you, and plan for a LOT OF RAIN
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Thanks, everyone, for your comments and advice.
It seems that Oscar Calderon at Mexico Motorcycle Adventures in Mexico City ( Inicio) can arrange for people to rent bikes and take across the border with a notarisation letter. He's incredibly helpful and gave me a very reasonable quote for a 400cc bike with all the necessary paperwork plus he will arrange having it returned back to Mexico. It makes a good back-up plan, but it's unfortunately still a bit expensive for me, so I'm still looking at buying a used bike.
Then I'm hoping to sell it in Panama (although a number of people have warned me this is a headache). Apparently I have to make sure to declare at the border that I plan to sell it and then pay customs fees and taxes etc. But at least it would still be some money back, whereas renting wouldn't.
At the moment I'm looking mainly in Mexico as there seems to be a wider selection of bikes available. My travel companion is very sure I should be going for not less than a 250cc, and probably not as big as a 650. So if anyone hears of one, please do let me know.
I'm also looking in Belize, and Emma at Alternate Adventures ( Alternate Adventures | Motorbike Rentals and Alternate Adventures, Hopkins, Belize) says she sells off her 200cc dirt bikes regularly. So that's an option, although a dirt bike for such a long journey may not be very comfortable, right?
I'll also keep a look out in Guatemala - thanks for all the info, richsuz - and if you hear of a 250-400cc bike that's, say, around USD2,000, then please let me know. Is that price being too optimistic?
Unfortunately buying a bike in the US isn't an option at this point due to timing.
Richsuz: We'll probably reach Guatemala round August 15, and I will stay in contact to see if we can all ride together. It seems we're just whizzing through the eastern parts though for three days or so. But the itinerary isn't set in stone.
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Thanks, everyone, for your comments and advice.
Richsuz: We'll probably reach Guatemala round August 15, and I will stay in contact to see if we can all ride together. It seems we're just whizzing through the eastern parts though for three days or so. But the itinerary isn't set in stone.
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I will keep my eyes open for a bike and your arrival. Could you give me more details on the type of bike you are looking for? For you dont seem kin on the 200cc offroad bikes. 250 to 400 touring bikes are rare in this part of the world. My wife rides a Yamaha YS250, equivalent to the YBR250, she goes everywhere on it, including crossing river beds 15in deep, but we recognize that the ground clearance is low and that the 17 in tires are very undersized. But for about $2000, Jap bike, the only used option I can think of is a Honda twister. Other than that its got to be some type of dirt/enduro-ish bike. I don't know your built (inseam, height, etc) But I really think you could benefit from a chinese bike like the ones used in Belize. Seat comfort may be an issue. That time of the year, the roads will have a lot of debris, and potholes will be in abundance, and the long travel suspension and 21"front wheels are very helpful.
BTW, how is this as a place to visit. It is in the NE side of the country.
http://www.ecoquetzal.org/
and this
http://www.naturetoursguatemala.com/
ps, what 400 cc bike is available in Mex? I looked at O Calderon site and he only seems to have 650s
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ps, what 400 cc bike is available in Mex? I looked at O Calderon site and he only seems to have 650s
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I'm afraid I don't have any information about renting, but according to the Honda web site the 400cc Falcon NX4 dual-sport is still sold in Mexico. If Victoria is thinking of buying a used bike in Mexico and selling it in Costa Rica or Panama, something like that might be an option. They have been around for a while so it seems as though it should be possible to find used ones in a range of condition/price.
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Thanks, Craig.
Richsuz: There is a good chance Garry Dymond has found me a 250 Yamaha Fazer in Mexico. So maybe hold on for a while till that's confirmed. I'll let you know, thanks x a million.
The two links both look amazing - the Las Conchas one is closer to our route so might work better. I'm just checking with my friend as he has a schedule to keep for his research. Fingers crossed, would be great to meet you!
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I will second Richard's suggestion. My friend Felipe runs Oasis Chiyu and it has become one of my favorite places here in Antigua. Great riding in the area as well!
When you guys make it to Antigua, be sure to come by Moto Cafe and share some stories with fellow motorcyclists, join us for a ride, or just have a  !
Always great to meet riders.
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I'm also looking in Belize, and Emma at Alternate Adventures ( Alternate Adventures | Motorbike Rentals and Alternate Adventures, Hopkins, Belize) says she sells off her 200cc dirt bikes regularly. So that's an option, although a dirt bike for such a long journey may not be very comfortable, right?
I'll also keep a look out in Guatemala - thanks for all the info, richsuz - and if you hear of a 250-400cc bike that's, say, around USD2,000, then please let me know. Is that price being too optimistic?
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Probably right about the bikes with Emma, but you should stop by in her place anyways if you get a chance. Cool girl and give you good local advice.
As far bikes in Guatemala - maybe I can help. I get people coming and going looking to sell/buy. Off hand, I know a guy looking to sell a Honda 250 Twister, I have a '81 BMW R65, and maybe more will pop up.
What's the latest with your search?
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Hi Chris
It looks like I have found a used bike in Mexico - 250cc Yahama - through amazing help by Garry Dymond.
But hopefully we can make it to the cafe in Antigua and say hello. We might only stick to the north-east part of the country, though, but not sure yet.
Richsuz: still keen on a trip together, and so is my pal. Will be in touch with a better idea of dates soon. Will PM you my email address.
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