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14 May 2011
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Crossing the Darien - How much is too much?
Back in 2008 when I first started researching crossing the Darien Gap I was told the going rate was U$250 each (bike $ rider) = U$500. Heading north through Bolivia in 2009 I met two Englishmen heading south who recommended 'Fritz the Kat' - they'd just paid US$320ea )U$640).
After getting sidetracked with a broken motorcycle I didn't get to cross the Gap until February this year by which time the price on the Stahlratte was U$780inc, those who sailed on 'Wild Card Jack' at the same time paid U$850 (and weren't very happy, but that's their story).
Last weekend I was in Casa Blanca Hostel, Cali when three Canadian guys arrived on KLR's. They were planning on air-freighting to Panama and had to wait until Monday to get their quote - U$1500! (from Bogota. +U$300 from Cali) Yep, even hostel owner Mike (HUBB - Kaiserkyll) was shocked, it was U$950 two weeks ago!
I suggested a few boats and they got lucky. Fritz was leaving four days later - his price now U$950 (over U$1000 for a big bike. GS etc)
How long before this route becomes the sole domain of the 'new' breed of motorcycle traveller (post Ewan & Charlie) who are short on time, not money; or will the 'old school' (short on money, not time) probe the Pacific coastt for a reliable, cheaper but ultimately more time consuming crossing?
Either way, given the rate of 'Gap Inflation' we won't have to wait long for an answer.
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Hola Senor Adam
I just saw that the rate on the SteelRat was up to $820 for the ride across the gap now! Its all about money and how much the boats can push for until the pack backers and motorbikers can't pay any more. Its getting to the point where its just best to ship straight from home to SA or vice versa instead of crossing the gap on a standard ship or plane.
That leaves the cargo boats and working on the Pacific side as the cheapest options for going by sea. These both take time and lots of effort to get it all right but will be the cheapest way to cross. I will attempt the Pacific side on my way back North but may have to become a crew member again on the ole Rat once more if I don't have good luck.
It's going to be a lot more adventure to cross in the sub $500 range but I'm sure it can be done for that and even less with some effort. I'll see for myself when my time comes...
Hope your back enjoying the lands in the South, I can't wait to get going again myself and will be looking around for you down there.
Adios Amigo!
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15 May 2011
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Hi lads. I'm catching fritz the cat tomorrow with those 3 Canadians you mentioned. The price for it is 448 for you and 428 for the bike. More if it's over 250 kg. Total price of 876. It works out more if you pay in pesos as his exchange is bad.
Seems like these guys are certainly taking advantage of the needy bikers. Maybe sometime the price will cone down with competition. Ha! And maybe they'll build a road too huh. Who wants to don fatigues and grab a machete and cut up some Darien for a ride! Looks like it's boats or planes! Good luck to you all!
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16 May 2011
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It is getting mighty expensive.
The larger vehicles that we help cross the gap (Defenders, Land Cruisers, pickups with popup campers) and all looking at about $2,000 - $2,500 to ship their babies - not including passenger air freight.
I think the most economical option right now would be to share a 20' container - but the logistics involved are a nightmare. Easy for a group of 20 riders but hard to setup with individuals doing their own trip.
A container would run about $1,500 and take a few days... You can fit a lot of bikes in a 20'...
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16 May 2011
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Someone with a little more ethics and not out just to rip folk of, living in Colombia or somewhere close, needs to set up a bi-monthly container for riders, maybe it happens whenever they have bookings a month out. They'd make a killing without needing to rip people off.
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19 May 2011
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I came over from Panama to Bogota in january with 4 other riders, and cos of this Air Girag gave us a discount so to fly the bikes then cost $750 US then we managed to get flights for ourselves for about $400. I recommend Air Girag, it was very easy, quick and painless... and our bikes also didn't have to suffer the rusty ride over the sea, I have heard of some riders who had to replace chains etc cos of rust right after the boat or had worse problems down the line...
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19 May 2011
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Hi Y`ll
I remember times when the transfer was $ 250 for the bike and $ 250 for yourself ....
OK, price for oil is nowadays more .... but 3 - 4 times 
In my opinion, just a further ripoff from Girag and boats .... like so many other places 
Thanks Adam for the information and thoughts 
Hope you doing well and have fun     
See you Thomas
PS: a monthly container with a fixed date .... could be working 
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RoRo is the way to go without crating, safe and sound, for less money from/to Panama and Catagena as flying your bike from Bogota.
The same RoRo service goes all the way up to Tacoma crossing the Panama canal and also down to Brazil and Argentina. Cartagena is one of the ports of load.
Bikes had been shipped before with a good end result.
There is a similar thread about this on ADV regional forum(Latin America)
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3 Jun 2011
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Crossing the Darien
Hi
We shipped from Cartagena to Carti with Fritz end of April this year, cost for the two of us and the GS (we are not Ewan wannabes) was over US$1300, the price to fly wasn't much different. We opted for the sailing as it was inclusive of 5 nights accom and food for the duration making it a slightly cheaper option and we thought it would be a bit of a holiday. However, the proof that it is just about the money was the boat being overcrowded, 4 bikes with riders and 15 backpackers, a very cramped 5 days. Some people didn't even get a bunk!
There are other boats that do the crossing but all around the same price and maybe not all of them are high on the safety list, you pays your money you takes your chance!
Anyone thinking of doing the gap in the future might well be a good idea contacting Shaun at
When we stayed there he was looking at trying to set something up.
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3 Jun 2011
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Gap crossing reservations?
Okay. We're in. People are talking about trying to set something up, a container or maybe dealing with another private boat, if we can sort out a group far enough in advance.
This might be too far in advance for now, but my fiance and I will be crossing the Gap in about 3ish months. We're on a Ural. Very flexible with dates, of course.
Any chance?
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Anyone thinking of doing the gap in the future might well be a good idea contacting Shaun at www.panamapassage.com
When we stayed there he was looking at trying to set something up. |
Hey Kev -
We have a british couple here riding 2 up on an R80 that took you and Lorraine's place on the porch. Almost a direct replacement!
Give us a call or email - we are indeed trying to figure out how to get prices down to cross the gap. We're getting some lines on decent boats that don't overcrowd. For now - you get what you pay for.
Hopefully soon you'll pay less and get more.
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5 Jun 2011
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Darien crossing
Don't know what the logistics or cost would be for someone to set it up, but when we crossed from Cape Town, South Africa to Buenos Aires, Argentina it was in a "Groupage Container". A 40 foot container booked onto a regular sailing which went whether it was full or not. Cost for us was very reasonable and I know the container we shipped in was less than half full as ours was the last crate loaded. I guess the shipping agent in SA just pays a set price for the container and 9 times out of 10 makes a good killing from the smaller goods that are transported... win, win situation maybe!!
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panama to colombia(same old story!!)
I am in panama city now heading to colombia!!! anyone near by want to search for a cheaper alternative together, safety in number i guess!!! Keep hearing stories of people doing it cheaper but i am yet to meet anyone or get any concrete evidence!!!!!
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Setting up a container?
Guys
this is Christian here, from Panama Passage.
I just came back from the San Blas islands and I agree, there has to be a cheaper way to do that. Shaun (who ran the place for the last 6 months) just took a sailboat across with his KMT SM690 and said it was a great trip, but I believe around $850.
I can ship a 20' container for about $1050 for one vehicle. it would be a bit more if we had motorcycles but it can't be more than $1500.
How many motorcycle can you fit in a 20'? I am game to try to arrange a monthly shipping if there are enough party interested.
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Originally Posted by zundapp
I came over from Panama to Bogota in january with 4 other riders, and cos of this Air Girag gave us a discount so to fly the bikes then cost $750 US then we managed to get flights for ourselves for about $400. I recommend Air Girag, it was very easy, quick and painless... and our bikes also didn't have to suffer the rusty ride over the sea, I have heard of some riders who had to replace chains etc cos of rust right after the boat or had worse problems down the line...
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I don't recommend them, but as there is no other choice (currently) to fly then gap, then no choice.
Calls not returned, cut off, emails ignored.
Poor handling of bikes, 2 hours to do paper work and then the bikes didn't fly on time.
But, what should I have expected for 900USD/bike :-)
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