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29 Oct 2013
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Important info for temporary vehicle permits in Chiapas Mexico
The old "Viva Mexico" building outside Tapachula, which has long been used to obtain or cancel temporary vehicle permits, has been torn down. The new location for the Banjercito office for this purpose is a big new customs complex between Mastapec and Huixtla. This location is very roughly 25 kilometers north of the old location but on the same road, Route 200.
If you are heading south into Guatemala from the U.S., you will need to go to this Banjercito office to cancel your permit before reaching the border. There is no sign or entrance to the complex on the southbound side. You will have to go past it on your left and a couple of hundred meters after there is a break in the barriers of this divided highway and you can bang a u-turn. Follow the signs for "vehiculos ligeros" (light vehicles/non-commercial) and you will see a sign for Banjercito pointing to a building on the right. This office will cancel your permit. After continuing through customs you will enter the highway northbound and have to bang another u-turn. You are allowed to ride or drive your vehicle from this point south to the border without a permit. You do not have to go directly to the border, you can stay over in Huixtla or Tapachula etc as you please.
If you are heading northbound from Guatemala through Mexico, you simply cruise all the way up to this new customs complex and obtain your temporary vehicle permit there.
An interesting aside is that if you have a CA-4 registered vehicle (Honduras/Guatemala/El Salvador/Nicaragua), you can now cross the Mexican border and cruise all the way up to Huixtla without getting a temporary vehicle permit.
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Thanks for that valuable new information Mike.
By locating the new customs terminal on Mex 200 between Mapastepec and Huixtla and west of the Mex 211 junction it seems to suggest that traffic from Tapachula and the GT border (Talisman and Cd Hidalgo) could also be free to take that highway north to Motozintla and Cd Cuauhtemoc then back to GT without needing the TVIP.That would be in line with Zona Fronteriza practice as along the USA border.
Do you have any details on that aspect?
PS
Trying a google search only brought up an old news release from July'12 saying the new terminal was being built at the point of rancho Cerro Gordo which does not yield anything. Further searching BANJERCITO Chiapas modules put it at a point west of Huixtla and the switching to street view on Google map it was found. The
View was a bit confusing since the photo first showed a big modern customs complex , then spliced in obviously older views
of those same buildings in state of construction.
But the location is clear, 10km west of Huixtla where the highway makes an arcing curve to the north
Related , this past April2013 returning to Mexico through Talisman , GT (Cacahoatan ,Chis)we still had our TVIPs but had to get new Tourist Cards.
These were issued at the Mexican Customs booth in the actual border crossing
buildings and we rode past the old Viva Mexico terminal the following day without needing to stop.
Will that option be continued?
Also a reminder for travelers going into Guatemala with the intention of returning to and out of Mexico to the USA within the valid term of the TVIP - you do not need to cancel it for the duration of your stay in Central America. This saves you the cost of a new TVIP and the hassel of cancelling and then renewing.
You do have to hand over the tourist card though, and get a new one when you leave Guatemala or Belize for Mexico.
Last edited by Sjoerd Bakker; 2 Nov 2013 at 21:21.
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thanks
Yes much thanks for the info! I never would have found if not for the directions, strange place for it seems like? My problem now is after reading this I don't remember getting a tourist card, for Guatemala.I checked my paper work and don't have it. I obtained stamp in passport and then got tvip. So how screwed am I? I'm near lake atilan. Can I pick one up other then immigration? This stinks since I thought I kinda knew what I was doing?
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4 Nov 2013
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you dont need a tourist card, you have the stamp and the tvip. you only need 1 for mexico.
Did i talk to you yesterday in Pana?
cheers
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That's a relief! In in Pana now. were you the one on the side of the road at the overlook above town?
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4 Nov 2013
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The new terminal location actually makes good sense.
It is located west of Mex 211 and there are a number
of small uncontrolled border crossings east of the length
of that road. Plus a lot of illegal crossings. The control point
is now much easier for those people to acces if they want to
travel west into Mexico . It becomes practical for Guatemalans
to users 211 for a shortcut between the coast and
La Mesilla re- entry without needing a lot of Mexican
documentation.
Motörhead , just be sure to keep together all the paperwork you
did get from the GT border when you entered and you should
Be okay
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yes, i was at a overook of town, but i didnt see you
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I know this is an old thread but, I just turned in my TVIP yesterday and thought it would be helpful to add some GPS coordinates for new readers. If you are headed north on hwy 200 you can't possibly miss it, but if you are headed south (like us) there are NO signs. And if you are like my wife and I you will be distracted by the fake Aduana agents trying to get you to hand over your papers. We were stopped three times by small groups of people who stood in the road till we stopped. Quick tip, if they are not in uniform and don't have an official vehicle, just idle through the group and then keep on moving.
If going north you just drive into the Aduana/Banjercito compound and when finished drive back out. If headed south you have to go past the compound and bust a u-turn just south of the compound. When exiting you have to go about a mile north and then bust another u-turn to get going south again. Here are the coordinates.
U-turn mile north of compound: N15.17608 W92.54398
U-turn just south of compound: N15.16003 W92.52434
Compound entrance: N15.16118 W92.53230
There are not Banjercito offices at any of the borders in the area, so going to the border doesn't help. Also, the Banjercito in Tapachula does not process TVIP's so going there is also a waste of time (trust me)...
Also, I ask if we could keep the TVIP if we were only going to Guatemala for a couple weeks and then coming back into Mexico and he said "no". But, we had a serious language barrier and I don't think he understood.
Hope this helps someone. I spent two hours on the internet and had to get the hotel desk clerk to make some calls for me to figure this simple little thing out. Once we eventually figured it out and got to the compound, there was one other customer and the whole process took 10 minutes.
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Unless the rules were changed since March 2014 then the Mexican official was indeed confused about the proper policy regarding TVIP retention, or as you suggest you misunderstood him.
The TVIP as far as I have experienced may be retained by foreign tourists who are leaving Mexico at the south border for a short visit to Central America .It will be honoured on the return trip and it saves both the tourist and Banjercito
the trouble of having to redo the entire process of refunding the security deposit
pointlessly.
The TOURIST CARD will indeed need to be cancelled and a new one will need to be bought on the return trip.
As stated , this year March a friend and I on two motorcycles left Mexico at Chetumal(. Subte Lopez) after doing the required Tourist Card Cancellation and
we were allowed to keep the TVIP in effect.
When returning to Mexico via Talisman ( east of Tapachula) we only needed a new tourist card which was obtained in the Migracion office about 100m from the gate at that border . Because we did not need the services of BANJERCITO for the TVIP we also had no reason to seek out the new highway terminal at HUIXTLA
This policy has been stable for years.
Of course rules are subject to occasional revision and research always needs to continue.
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TIP Location Changed Again...
This thread was very useful for our recent trip (~ Sept 25, 2015) to get our car temporary import permit (aka TIP) changed out (...can I say "car" on HU?). We have Mexican Temporary Resident visas (NOT tourist visas) and when their expiration date changed (due to getting new visas) we decided to head to the border to turn in our existing car permit and get a fresh one issued. We have tried several other methods of getting our existing TIP's expiration updated with Banjercito but none of those ever resulted in us getting our deposit back when we headed back to the United States. We thus decided a full border run and swap out was the best bet (stupid overall, but the best bet for getting the money back).
Unfortunately, when we located and visited the "new" Aduana compound north of Tapachula we were told they no longer did TIPs there and that we would have to go to the actual MX/GT border in Ciudad Hildago, Chiapas, MX...about 20 minutes south/southeast of Tapachula. BTW, even though the new compound did us no good, thanks much to "hysterysis" for the GPS co-ords. It's VERY hard to see across the highway for the northbound-side building when headed south ...though you might note the large Mexico flag flying if you don't have GPS. Anyway....
Since we had planned to stay the night in Tapachula before heading back northeast to our home in Oaxaca, Mexico, we went ahead and did just that. Then the next morning (Saturday) we went to the border crossing in Ciudad Hildago and managed to enter the entry side of Mexico's compound instead of the exit side....because we wanted to be SURE we could get a new permit before we cancelled our existing one.
Sure enough, the Banjercito lady understood our desires and walked us through the cancellation and (re)issuance of a new TIP. Some things of interest (for those who still hold the illusion that MY experience (in Mexico) will have any similarity to yours. AKA: your mileage will probably vary):
1) After heading other posters' comments about fake Aduana/INM agents along the road....AND actually seeing some who tried to stop us south of the Aduana compound the OP announced as new (i.e. north of Tapachula on 211), I was probably a bit too defensive with the actual/official SAT/Aduana officer who approached me in the Ciudad Hildago compound as I attempted to park (having talked my way past the private security guard at the north-side (employee??) gated entrance. He was fairly stern with me when we returned 45 minutes later through the public exit (i.e. Mexico entry port) after I had blown him off and locked the car and gone into Banjercito and gotten our new car permit. Oops! But at least he was FAIR in his fairly stern. In my defense, he had no sleeve badges or any other markings except his belt was SAT-issued/logo'd and he had an ID card in a pouch (but then so did all the fake guys at the abandoned checkpoint north of Tapachula."). So good luck with figuring out who is legit or not. I still would error on the side of safe and NOT hand over any official docs until you are very sure it is an official official.
2) Two young men in Ciudad Hildago followed alongside our car trying to talk to us. Eventually I rolled down the window and explained what I was looking for. Although they (incorrectly) told me I'd have to go to a different border crossing (and hour or more north), they did guide me to the north gate of the MX border compound (in Ciudad Hildago) when I insisted I was going to go there before I gave up. Turned out they were Guatemalans. Not sure what they intended to do with me originally, but I think their "help" should be acknowledged. Having random people try to help you in Mexico is one of the many nice things about this country...but I am always a bit edgy near the border towns. Nice to be proven overly paranoid again.
3) We carry multiple copies of every possible document known to ever exist for our family when dealing with Mexican officials. If you "get" this video, you understand why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXWZ3uAEKsw Anyway, this was the first time my 600dpi color copies have been deemed "unsatisfactory" by an official. So, we just had to use the wife's passport copies and related docs and put the permit in her name instead. If you're not flexible, stay the hell outta Mexico. I can't imagine what the Banjercito lady would think of the copies we originally found ourselves having made at the little shop just across the street from various government buildings here in Oaxaca. Sometimes I couldn't recognize whose passport copy I was looking at from my family! Maybe she just thought I had too ugly of a face for a car permit. Now THAT would be fair.
But we now have a TIP with an expiration that matches our shiny new 3yr TempRes visas and I received my past TIP's deposit back to my credit card before we had made it home to Oaxaca. I think the saying is "The good Lord looks out for fools and drunks." And to that I say "I was sober the entire trip."
Thanks again to all who posted to this thread. Your info played a useful role in yet another "scatterplot" for navigating Mexico.
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