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18 Mar 2008
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I do not see that this industry will be so different from others. Generic Drug companies wait for patents to expire on existing medications so they can sell them at a cheaper rate than the Pharma companies sell them, eg Ibuprofen. They did not do the R&D so the costs are cheaper and so is the price. However, this also means that the technology is (in the case of medications) 15 years out of date. How out of date is the technology of these cheaper lid companies? Which is the better bike, the Honda CG125, or the Chinese made equivalent, after they bought rights from Honda to copy the design. Me? I think the Honda. Although the design is the same, the Quality Control is not. Same with lids: Do we really know how much cross batch variation there is. Where di they get their manufacturing specs from? Is it just a Shoei design that was scrapped from the development line as another design had more promise?
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This is exactly where manufacturers in developing countries fall short. A friend of mine (also rides bikes) is an engineer for a sub-contractor making subframes and chassis components for a major world car manufacturer. He was sent out to China as a consultant as they were installing a production line he designed for a now discontinued model. Basically, his opinion is that the role of the Chinese in manufacturing is in cheap labour only and it will be years, if not decades before they catch up to the west in R&D and quality control.
Before you go out and buy a cut price lid made in a near third world country, ask yourself this. Would you really buy a new, Indian-built Austin Montego?
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16 Apr 2010
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PS: The fact I plan to shortly to post asking for advice on open face lids is pure coincidence and ALL input is welcome there!! Ta muchly...
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Try a Nolan N41 ... I ride with them now. Open face, yet has a full visor for cold or rain, and a peak.
And they are not expensive ... about 110 quid at openfacehelmets.com
And they are much lighter than a full face.
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21 Apr 2010
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Hi my 10p worth here is the Helmet Test done by uk gov. SHARP - The Helmet Safety Scheme I pers go for what I find comfey first then the price is tthe second factor.
M & P have some helmets £100 with internal bluethooth
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30 Jan 2008
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Don't guess any more !
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