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Don't they have proper cups? Coffe in soft-cups sucks!
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do you think the to bm boys were amateurs when they went the long way round ?
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Hmmmmm is this bait ?? We haven't had a good E&C rant for at least a few weeks...
It matters not when you're on a sponsored Thomas Cook holiday with a small army running behind you to touch up your make up...
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Hmmmmm is this bait ?? We haven't had a good E&C rant for at least a few weeks...
It matters not when you're on a sponsored Thomas Cook holiday with a small army running behind you to touch up your make up...
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Also, nothing wrong with looking good when on adventure travel. I for one ALWAYS take my curling iron and hair dryer even on shorter trips... call me vain...
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i like the soft starbuck cups being new to coffee,do think the ali cups change the feel of the drink
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Who needs a cup, drink directly from the pot!
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nice pot where did you get it ,think i may give up starbucks and go for the hard stuff
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do you think the to bm boys were amateurs when they went the long way round ?
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Clearly armatures, because it was their first really long trip. And, before them, adventure travel was hardly noticed...
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very true rex .so would this site be here and so great if the two actors hadn't been on there thomas cook holiday ,just a question ?
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nice pot where did you get it ,think i may give up starbucks and go for the hard stuff
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Sorry, I can't remember where I bough it but I'm sure you can find one here:
Galla Coffee: How a Stove-top Espresso Maker Works
On the other hand I've heard that Starbucks will open quite a few places in Norway in 2014 so maybe I'll sell mine, I will let you know
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I use plastic luggage all the time... Why they're rare on overlanders bikes must be down to an image thing. They don't look cool but, for me they are a great compromise between weight and security/ease of use.. You can usually pick up a second hand set of panniers for £100 on ebay.
Have you ever tried to break into a givi box ???? VERY difficult. Much harder than an aluminium one. I remember trying to get into one that came in on a PX bike with no key in the dealership.. We had to remove it to fit another one. The plastic just flexes and you can't get a good purchase on it with a crowbar etc..Took us ages to get it off and required drilling in the end. Depends on the design of the box though. The cheap plastic boxes are CRAP.
I can open any metal box (no matter what lock is on it) within 10 seconds with a crowbar/tyre lever/screw driver. The locks are held on with soft pop rivits or 6mm soft bolts.. It's like they were built by thieves for thieves lol....
Sounds like you have crap soft bags... There are loads of very water proof soft bags available. Ortliebs to name one. My old army panniers just flung over my rack and had four clips to hold them on. Took no time at all. I could carry all my gear into a hotel in one go rather than two-three journeys with the heavier boxes I had. ![Thumbup1](https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/images/smilies/thumbup1.gif)
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Well i agree with Ted, while I was in the Army I used 58 pattern, old style webbing till a few years ago, it would suck up water like a sponge then shrink dry and be a pain, but lasted years! of very abusive treatment! I would use an otleib Roll bag, have used them diving too! still kept things bone dry, a few weeks a go Aldi where selling there Dry Bags £7. 40 ltr Sailing bag thtey go like hot cakes not as good as otleib but for £7! go figure, when ever I see them for sale or reduced I pick them up always a bargain, a right No Brainer.
I get my new bike this coming week, she comes fitted with Givi Top & Panniers, I know I will use the top box for everyday bimberling carrying stuff, but if I am going on a tour take it off & put my Otleib on there across the two panniers, as 1) get more in it 2) I just prefier it, payes your £££ takes your Choice
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I joined this Forum so that I could learn lots of stuff to help me realise an ambition I have held for some 40 years, and that is to ride a bike from England to Melbourne. Once I get there, I will work out how I want to get back, but I'm taking a year off work so hope I have enough time to satisfy what it is that I want from the trip.
Shortly after the HUBB Meet at Ripley last year I took out Club Membership so that in my own small way I could help with the running costs of the Forum. This has been one of those threads which have made me seriously question whether or not I am up to the challenge, and I have become quite dispirited, yet, when I actually go back to what it is that has been getting me down, it's been the 'willy waving' posts which say things like "only amateurs use hard luggage", "real travellers use really light weight bikes", and "proper travellers make everything themselves and can service and maintain their bikes and kit with just a pocket knife and sticky-back plaster"
I'm going to follow Ali Baba's advice and just not care anymore. I've followed the bloggs of some of those who have advocated the above sentiments, and have been at a talk by one of them, yet I have also looked at the preparation the bike of one of them has gone through and realised that although I may have been in awe of them, I have very little in common with them, and I can live with that.
So, back to this thread, and I am still interested in how a bike handles when fully loaded with hard luggage.
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Mate take all of what you read here, with interest added a pinch of salt.
The Only way you will know is by trying it, even if going to local woods along local green lane after a heavy rainfall and bimble through then try on a good sunny day, with soft & hard, with some items you intend to take, it is only a guide line for you.
you can either spend lots of time & effort worrying about if you can do it or not or get on and go after some prep, what ever you decide, Good Luck enjoy the trip.
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do you think the to bm boys were amateurs when they went the long way round ?
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No, just wingers. Had to change the channel the other day cause I couldn't handle the winging any more. The tough stuff should be fun and make you laugh. So long as you're dry and fed, what's the worst that can happen?
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very true rex .so would this site be here and so great if the two actors hadn't been on there thomas cook holiday ,just a question ?
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TELL/SHOW ME MORE!!!!! Is there a route to follow through those dunes?
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Thomas, kevlar reinforced carbon fibre coffee cups are the future.
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In terms of what?
In terms of never having done it before and never seeking any advice, therefore no knowing what to expect in terms of riding, or how badly a heavy bike will impact handling (your initial question), yes, they were naive. Completely naive. And if you watch LWR, you see that in Mongolia, and you see it on the Road of Bones. At one point they admit as much when unloading about 30 kgs of luggage each at a hotel on the Lena Highway. They admitted they had no idea what to take and had taken way too much weight.
On the other hand, they aslo claimed the hard panniers had saved Ewans life when a car rearsided them in Calgary. Maybe thats true. So you can take out of their experience whatever you like; for hard panniers or against them, but your original question was how does loaded hard panniers impact handling in particular. And obviously the answer is negatively. And more negatively than if it were with loaded soft bags.
I suggested earlier that you really need to look at all previous threads related to soft vs hard and all get all sides of the debate and all types of opinions, and them make your own mind up, because just by asking that question on here you are opening the forum up to a debate it has already had many, many times before. Plenty of us here have many wide and varied opinions on the subject. As you have just discovered. Dont take the actual debate too seriously - its just a bunch of those varied opinions coming out - we have been here before and are used to it - its part of the circus ![Smile](https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/images/smilies/smile.gif) .... but you need to look at those opinions and take out of it what most strikes a chord with whatever type of travel you have in mind.
How crucial it is to you to have the best possible handling depends on your own personal preferences. But you also need to be open enough to consider that any preconceived ideas of 'how it should be done' are not necessarily the ones you will have once you have finished your first big trip, with whatever challenges you want to put in them. Every single bike traveller / adventurer I know has different tastes and priorities. Thats why there are few simple answers to questions.
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