As part of the on-going project by the British "New Labour" party to adopt and implement the instruments of a police & surveillance State inside the United Kingdom, on Friday they published their "CONTEST" document which on page 113 under the title "new policing powers to collect advance passenger data on domestic air & sea journeys" it will now be unlawful to book and or take a domestic sea or air journey without providing valid evidence of your identity and address and producing a government ID card, passport or government issued document containing photographic ID.

In practice, you will be required to show your passport or government ID card to take yourself and or your bike on any ferry to i.e. the Scottish Islands, the Channel Islands, Northern Ireland and of course, our beloved TT on the Isle of Man. If you do not have an ID card or passport you will not be permitted the "privilege of travel” within your own country.

You dangerous and untrustworthy individuals who think they can get around the country by flying will have to think again too - same applies for domestic flights.

Home office officials state that they hope that i.e. travel by ferry to the (well know terrorist haunt) The Isle of Skye will encourage travellers to "enrol" in the Government's “National Identity Register” (ID Card scheme) but were unable to explain that given Skye now has a bridge as well as ferries, how this legislation makes that terrorist ravaged Island safer from crafty Achmed who might take the bridge.

Pornography loving home secretary Jackie Smith who was recently exposed for taking £116,000 of taxpayer’s money for “expenses” for her parent’s house (and also claimed expenses from the taxpayer for those “adult TV channels”) will introduce the law by “statutory instrument” thereby avoiding debate in the House of Commons. In some countries this is known as “law by diktat”.

Last month it was revealed that the Government had set up a new secret establishment to monitor the movements of UK nationals abroad and those with whom they associate.

All e-mail, phone calls text messages and websites visited are also to be monitored by the state.

It is thought that similar measures will be introduced for bus and rail travel after the next election which New Labour claim they will “win handsomely”

The new law will apply to foreign visitors as well as UK nationals (after all, we are all potential terrorists…)

These are internal borders folks, just like the ones they used to have in the good old USSR.


(the election is just a year away )

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Shame on you Linzi for your timidity! A country that cowers before bossy bullies deserves all it gets.

I didn't realise the proposed new law applied to all sea and air journeys. I thought it was just those from NI to GB - I thought it was all part of the government's plot to push NI towards Eire.

Frankly, I doubt there's anyone from MI5/~ reading the HUBB. At least, not on official business. But if there is, so what?

I'll say it even if you won't: The present government seems to have nothing better to do than dream up new ways of bossing us about. We have ourselves to blame if we put up with it.

PS I doubt Cameron's bunch would be much better.

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Me timid? No, you misunderstand. Linzi.

As I understand it, yachtsmen are also required to produce passage plans and submit these to the authorities before leaving or entering the country. This will force people to put to sea at the time and date they have submitted, should bad weather prevent them leaving or make them enter a different port than intended they will be in breach of the law and WILL be prosecuted. How many lives have to be lost or civil liberties infringed before we all stand as one people and rise against this dictator Gordon Brown and his labour party?? Maybe it's time to lobby our MPs and put the fear of which ever god you follow in to him.

Paul.

Let's see if I get searched really hard in June as I board the ferry.

I reckon you'll be okay. Before entering customs though, you may wish to evacuate your bowels.

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Ah! You are the cat/tiger. Not the government. Apologies.

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Dammit, I've been rumbled!!! lol
Seriously though folks, it really isn't a big deal, is it?
Annoying? Irritating? Typical of Government officials who haven't anything better to do? Yes to all of these, but think about it.....when you board a flight to go anywhere in the world how many times do you already have to dig out your boarding card?....and in addition you even have to take your bloody shoes and belt off!!! lol It is crazy indeed. You get the card at check in, you show it at security, you show it when you get on the plane, and one one occasion I was even asked for it when I got off!!

Chris

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I think Chris was replying to my comment/joke suggesting he was working for UK Gov.

Andy

I must admit to being slightly confused about this as I can't see what's different to this and what we have to do now....

I fly a lot internally in the UK - have been for years and years - and every time I fly I HAVE to present either my passport or my driving licence as photo ID - I've tried other things but no-go.... so what's changed? Have I missed something?

m

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The current airport situation has, i believe, a mixed legal basis. The civil aviation laws are a bit carte blanche in that they allow the operator to refuse to take any passenger and ask for CAA/police help to do it. Refuse to show ID and the operator will refuse to let you fly (their choice). Walk away and that's it, you didn't break a law. Resist and you'll be arrested under public order offenses (or carte blanche anti-terror laws brought in after the New York attacks). The airports have the security and will refuse to let you fly due to the legal help, insurance protection and staff protection this gives, not because they are legally required to. It's hard to tell if Airline, Airport or Border staff check your ID on an internal flight as most airports do international stuff too, for which border laws apply. It is no offence to tell a police constable or border employee your name and address and then give them the choice of arresting you or ****ing off, if you are a UK resident still in the UK (and not showing any inclination to cross an international border).

So now go from your local flying or sailing club to a mates club across the country. No ID required, it's the same as taking a bus or driving. Go by ferry from a port that only serves a UK territory and likewise no ID unless the operator introduces it off their own bat.

The change in the law is to make the flying club people and small ferries check ID. The same legislation could be used to set up police checkpoints at every county boundry or street corner. If a yatchsman going from Cardiff to Bristol has to show ID, why not one going from Kingston to Richmond? If the boats get checked why not cars, busses, bikes, trains and pedestrians? Tell the copper you've left your £80 bit of paper at home and you are going for a ride in their van. You will then be guilty of the new offence of failing to provide documentary evidence of your identity.

The next step will be "allowing" you to "pre-book" your journey to avoid the queues to the checkpoints. All of a sudden HM Gov know where you are 24 hours a day seven days a week. What they do with that information is usually scary and involves camps with electric fences.

Andy

Yes, you have missed much.

Just to address your airline check in point first, in a previous life I was instrumental in setting up some of the UK’s fist Low Cost Carriers (LCC’s). In the early days the crude revenue management systems of the time priced long dated tickets at for example £1.00, short dated/walk up tickets at say £250.00 and were non transferable. Very quickly, a grey market developed whereby people bought the long dated tickets in bulk to sell to people who wanted to travel immediately or almost immediately at 1,000%+ mark ups. To counter this, the LCC’s stipulated proof of identity in order to protect their pricing mechanisms. This has evolved into photographic ID and passports.

Thus evolved the erroneous supposition that passports or ID cards were a government mandate, a supposition which for obvious reasons the LCC’s were not eager to contradict. To date, no legislative requirement exists for passengers to produce passports at check-in. After 9/11 the government found it convenient that this convention existed and should be perpetuated. In fact, under Schengen it is illegal for intra-European travel for this to be a requirement. For extra EU travel i.e. the United States it is also not a requirement but the carrier will be charged (much to their irritation) by that state for the costs of re-patriating a passenger who is refused entry for passport irregularities, hence the carriers eagerness to ensure all passengers have valid passports.

I have no knowledge of the poster who said the US will require DNA sampling at their borders but the UK home office has a not so covert initiative under way to ensure all UK citizens are on the police DNA profile database. To date, one in twelve of us are, including a seven month old infant.

Going back to your question “what have I missed?” you will see that under EU legislation it is in fact illegal to make you present your passport for intra-EU travel whereas under the new UK legislation the state can prohibit you from travelling freely WITHIN YOUR OWN COUNTRY unless you conform to the edict (which is why a statutory instrument was needed to make this law), thus contradicting one of the basic tenets of British common law and of magna carta dating back to 1215; the freedom of movement unhindered by the state, one of the very definitions of being British. It is this that the New Labour party is systematically overturning and it is changing the definition of what it is to be a free British citizen/subject that the New Labour party is challenging. You have been re-designated as something non-British and it was done to you without parliamentary debate.

In fact, the United States took this basic tenet of (English) common law and enshrined it in their constitution as a fundamental Constitutional right.

Next year there will be a general election. The best way you can act and something they fear most of all would be to tick the box that is NOT New Labour.

Good night and Good Luck.


As a postscript, readers may still think it plausible to monitor travellers on vulnerable public transport such as ships. However, consider this; if the state deems it “not in the public interest” to allow demonstrators to protest as say…the G20 summit they now have the statutory means to do so. An internal border at the M25 perhaps?

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