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Old 18 Jun 2024
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This is correct - however, it is 90 days total, not a single period that starts when you enter Schengen.

So you can spend e.g. 30 days in Schengen, then go to Morocco and spend 30 days there (60 total); come back, spend 30 days in Schengen (90 total) and go to Turkey and Georgia; spend 30 days there (120 total), come back for another 30 days in Schengen (150 total); go to the UK for 30 days, and you've reached 180 days since you first entered Schengen, and your counter resets to zero.

I am not sure this is right.
Allowed are 90 days IN ANY 180 DAYS PERIOD.
So the counter doesn´t reset when someone reach 180 days from first entering Schengen. It reset after having being out of Schengen for 180 days.
You are right someone can stay for example 30 days in Schengen and go out for another 30 and do this 3 times, then when he leaves Schengen he has been 90 days in Schengen and then has to wait for 150 days. Then he has been 90 days in a 180 day period. Because of the last 30 days in Schengen he only has to wait for 150 days and then can start a new 180 day period but the last 30 days from the previous period count in that period so he can then stay only 60 days.
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It reset after having being out of Schengen for 180 days.
Not exactly. According to https://schengenvisainfo.eu/90-180-day-rule/

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This period is commonly called a “rolling timeframe” because it’s constantly moving— each day you spend in Schengen advances your 180-day period. This period is counted backwards from your most recent entry or exit dates. So, let’s say you enter the Schengen area on July 1, 2022; you count backwards for 180 days from this date and calculate how many days you have spent in the Schengen area during these 180 days. If you’ve already spent 60 days, you have another 30 days left.
...so yes, on the day when you exit Schengen, they will look at the most recent 180 days and calculate how many of those you spent inside Schengen. But the next time you come back to Schengen, they will count *180 days back from the day you are trying to re-enter*, not 180 days from the time you last exited! So if you stagger it 30 in / 30 out, then you ought to always have days available, because for every 30 days in, there is a period starting 180 days ago when you spent 30 days out.

If it was as you said - 180 day lock-out period from your last date of exit - then this would mean the waiver is effectively for *90 days in every 360* at maximum!

Specifically https://schengenvisainfo.eu/90-180-d.../#scenario-two (Scenatio Two at the bottom of the page) talks about what I mean here.
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I am not sure this is right.
Allowed are 90 days IN ANY 180 DAYS PERIOD.
So the counter doesn´t reset when someone reach 180 days from first entering Schengen. It reset after having being out of Schengen for 180 days.
You are right someone can stay for example 30 days in Schengen and go out for another 30 and do this 3 times, then when he leaves Schengen he has been 90 days in Schengen and then has to wait for 150 days. Then he has been 90 days in a 180 day period. Because of the last 30 days in Schengen he only has to wait for 150 days and then can start a new 180 day period but the last 30 days from the previous period count in that period so he can then stay only 60 days.
It's a 'Rolling' 180 days. So, at day 181, his first day in the Schengen zone is removed and 'applied' to day 181. Essentially, his 'start day', is his day #2.
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@AnTyx has the correct explanation.

For a very simple example, if you have two periods of visits that together total more than 90 days, then you need a 90 day gap between the two visits.

My visits are more complex, so I keep a very basic spreadsheet where I track my days already spent within Schengen amd plan for the future. I've uploaded it below if anyone wants to have a play with it.

Column 1 is the date. For each day in Schengen I place a red '1' in column 2. Column 3 then sums the last 180 days. If you scroll down to row 741 (9 October 2024) you can see that at the moment I am up to 64 days in Schengen out of the last 180. I'm going to Spain shortly for 23 days which will take me to 87.

And then on 9 Jan 2025 the count starts to decrease as the days fall off the beginning of the 180, however I then fly in to collect my bike for Morocco and the decrease stops whilst I am in Spain. But when I exit Spain to Morocco, the decrease starts again. And so on. I have my future Schengen visits currently pencilled in as far as December 2025.

Another point, Bulgaria and Romania are in Schengen. UK and Ireland are not.

This site has a full list of non-Schengen European countries and also details of Schengen countries with with Australia has a visa waiver arrangement.
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