Hi,

After a bit of information. I have a Man truck with a self built body on the back. Unladen comes in at approx 9.5 tonnes (she is quite big!). Totally for personal use, no hire and reward involved. Has a fully functioning anaologue tacho fitted. Will get that calibrated to play it safe.

Question I have is: I would like to tax her as a PHGV.

To do that, do I need to get the V5 changed to classify her as a PHGV, or can I leave the V5 as HGV (which she is currently classified as), and just buy the tax as PHGV?

Hope that makes sense what I'm asking!

If I had to change the V5 to PHGV, would DVLA or VOSA or whoever is involved want to see pictures as to why I want to change the classification, or even inspect her at a vehicle station?

Thanks for any advice.

Hi,
I got my 4 ton Iveco mot'd as a camper and then took the documents to the local DVLA office and they did it just put or say that you want / it is PLG. they told me they might want to inspect it, because I was changing the body type. They did not bother. The inspection I have been told is only for the inside, but even so VOSA testing is not so tough.

Graeme

Thanks Graysworld.

Thing is, you're less than 7500Kgs, and I suspect less of a concern to VOSA in terms of safety (just thinking out loud not sure that is the case).

They're pretty strict with 7500kgs plus. Like I say we come in about 9000kgs, and Im worried if I were to get pulled over and the tax disc said PHGV but the V5 HGV they would throw the book at me.

You need it as private hgv, now this doesn't seem as easy in the midlands as graeme had with his cos I got passed between VOSA and the DVLA loads of times in one phonecall trying to get my similar Iveco transferred to Private HGV (tax is cheaper, and thats also what it should be as a 4 tonne truck)

The tax rates are the same I believe, but being private HGV gets you out of some regulations I beleive, if its HGV then you need tacho calibration and you'll need to drive to the tacho ?

Is it converted to live in ?

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Rich

Iveco Turbo Daily 4x4 40-10
Ex Owner LR101 300Tdi Ambi 'Tiggurr'

Hiya

PHGV is the taxation class. Which class you fit into depends on body type among others.

A motor caravan is a PHGV regardless of weight once over 3500kg.

You have to prove it covers all the DVLAs requirements of being a camper to them, if thats what you are aiming for? If the V5 says HGV then thats what you tax it as, tacho and plating req'd. You may as well be asking if you can tax it in the same class as a Prius, I don't think you're supposed to be able to choose yourself! If you google DVLA requirements for a camper several forums have a list, but getting the info from the DVLA seems impossible. Send a photo of each of these features, plus overall extras perhaps, with the ammended V5 to the DVLA is all I did about 2 years ago, no hassle. Look on the SBMCC for more info too maybe?

There will be other catagories of type, but I don't know what they are. A race truck for motorcross weekends doesn't count as a camper since a MX bike in a big campers garage is not required for camping, so seems to count as goods, different V5 class, tacho etc required.

I looked at one ex electric board cherry picker that had a flat bed put on the back instead, classed as something which allowed PHGV taxation but couldn't put anything in the back, even a spare tyre according to the seller, but again no tacho required.

I don't know how long ago you passed your Cat C driving licence, but since its illegal for a Cat C learner to carry goods, the driving school's vehicle is PHGV and doesn't require a tacho. They do because they're probably second hand and used to "work", and if the school need to sell they can easily. As well as the fact you need to learn how to use the tacho to pass the test.

All as far as I know.



ps Any pics please?!?

Hi Rich and Grizzly,

Thanks for all the info. Not yet converted to live in, but will be done in the future (havent got the time and money this year, hoepfuly in 2013). For the next year, I just want to drive it around UK a bit to test drive it, maybe go for a few weekends away in for camping etc....so really I just want it to be road legal.

1. When you say plating, do you mean the metal plaque with stamped numbers on it that details axle weights, Vin number etc? If so, it has one in the cab rivetted in the stair well, original plate.

2. Tacho is working, and I will get it calibrated and sealed and stickered. Then if VOSA so pull me they can't get me for that.

3. Have had Class 2 licence since 2007, and have done truck driving so know the ins and outs of tacho rules okay (well, as good as I can , the rules are a load of bollocks as far as Im concerned but thats another story). Also have a digital tacho card I have used at times when doing some extra work.

4. HGV tax is only marginally more than PHGV isn't it (like an extra £50 or something like that)? If so, nothing stopping me keeping it as an HGV and just paying HGV tax rate?

Thanks for your thoughts guys much appreciated.