|
10 Jan 2011
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Turkey
Posts: 6
|
|
KLE Oil pump failure with 20.000 km on the clock
I have KLE that is nicely looked after (at ~21000km). By looking after, I mean an oil (and filter) change every 5000 km, and nothing more really. Spark plugs were changed at some point (~13000 km) and brake pads are replaced twice so far, but these have nothing to do with my story. I am the second owner and I bought this bike with ~5000km on the clock. It is a 2006, registered at 2007, it had been sitting in a shed for a whole year when I bought it at 2009.
I have used the original overpriced oil filter for the first change, the K&N standard (from M&P) for the second, and HiFlo from WeMoto for the last change.
The oil lamp went on suddenly when cruising at 70 kmh or so.
No noise, engine running perfectly, but both lights (temp and oil) on.
So I pulled over, checked the oil, checked the fan, and waited for a while.
The lights did not go off.
So I rode home, very slowly, not revving more than 3000 rpm.
Next day I came back with the authorized Kawasaki guy, he says its probably the sensor, so I rode all the way to his garage, slowly, not revving more than 5000 rpm.
Turns out its not the sensor but the pump itself, the rotor is scratched and its not pushing oil as it should. No oil pressure. Nada.
Now, this is a sh*tload of money that I have to pay for an oil pump and new gaskets and all sorts of things that I was convinced that I wouldn't have to worry about until I hit 75000 km or something. So I am wondering if there is anyone here that has encountered anything like this before?
The Kawasaki guy says he never saw a KLE come back before 75.000, but they don't replace my oil pump out of warranty neither. Do you think it could have been because of the HiFlo oil filter? The Kawasaki guy says it is sh*t, but it should not cause such a failure. After all, there is another filter before the oil pump.
Repairs cost about 300€ with original parts, and 200€ with used spares. I think it is ridiculous that they ask for 100€ for a used oil pump. I found some oil pumps in eBay from England and Germany, they are cheap (~30€) but they won't ship to Turkey.
Would anyone be willing to help me out with this one? A spare oil pump lying around or something? I only need the rotor, the 2 parts that grind against each other, part no 16154 according to this catalog. I believe it is the same in every model of KLE.
OEM Motorparts - Kawasaki - KLE 500 - 2006 - Oil pump
|
14 Jan 2011
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: tyneside
Posts: 20
|
|
hi
just read your post .. bummer on the oil pump going
my guess would be a manufacturing defect but being out of warranty kawasaki won't be of any use
do you still need one as i may have one spare from an early gpz500s
i could send out to you ( i think i'm right believing it's the same pump )
EDIT : just a thought it's not the roll pin that's sheared (part no 92043)
let me know either way.
cheers
|
14 Jan 2011
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,598
|
|
I know it wont be much consolation to you but I had an early oil pump failure on my Enfield on the way back from Poland ( I think, will know for sure in a week).
Sadly there is no pressure warning available so the first thing I heard was a slight rattle from the engine (believed to be big end) on restarting when hot.
It will cost me well over £1,000 to repair one way and another. I think the drive to the oil pump may have failed but will know for sure next Friday evening.
I have to say this has severely dented my faith in the Bullet as this level of performanace is not up to the old Brit bikes that I always had before. Although it is a lovely bike to ride. I enjoy it much more than I did teh BMW but not quite as much as any of my old Triumphs on which I did well over 100K miles.
|
14 Jan 2011
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
Posts: 1,379
|
|
If the rotor is scratched there is a reason, be sure to fix both!
|
25 Jan 2011
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Turkey
Posts: 6
|
|
hello there.. sorry I have not checked back in a while. I have found a used oil pump from uk, fairly cheap too, like 20 pounds. I have not put it in the bike yet, though.
but you are right, the rotor is scratched, what do you think might be the problem there?
I know that there are bits of metal that are floating around that should not have been there but what could be the source? or is it just my cheap oil filter that should have picked them out but did not?
the kawasaki guy seems like he knows what he is doing, but he did not give me any hints, besides the cheap oil filter, what do you think?
|
10 Feb 2011
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Turkey
Posts: 6
|
|
I am only writing this to be above 5 post limit to be able to send private messages..
|
14 Feb 2011
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 32
|
|
If it helps I have used HiFlow filters on performance bikes for "years" - no issues whatever! Many others give em a good rap too. A bike shop will always blame an aftermarket part...
But seriously I have had OEM filters fail in the past (not with your results - usually just mass oil starvation and very hard to start due to pressure) so failure is always possible. Usually its just paper that clogs/jam. Just look into the filter and if it still looks OK no problem as it must be mangled bad to have done what you said.
|
14 Feb 2011
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Turkey
Posts: 6
|
|
that being said, I will put on another hiflo oil filter that I already have instead of buying the overpriced kawasaki filter. Thanks for saving me 15€..
But come to think of it, the one I had on when I had the failure did not have the protective plastic-foil thingy on the bottom, it was open when it came out of the box. I am sure it was not used, but maybe someone tried to install it to a bike but it did not fit so they returned it to the shop or something like that.
Now I am wondering if the metal filaments actually came from the filter.. Man that sounds messed up! Maybe wemoto should cover the costs!?
|
16 Feb 2011
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 1,731
|
|
Can´t be 100% sure, that the aftermarket filter is the culprit. But I think there is a fairly good chance, that it has something to do with it. And personally, I would use only the original. There´s really nothing to gain there by switching, and the few bucks you might save, simply aren´t worth any kind of risk, no matter how small. Original oil filters may also be made in China these days just like most aftermarket parts, but at least they are approved to the specific vehicle, by its manufacturer.
If it was still under warranty, the factory would now happily steer away from any issues that have anything to do with oil filtering, circulation, and lubrication in general.
(Just my 0,02 of course...)
|
24 Apr 2011
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 32
|
|
I should really know better than to Jinx myself by responding to this thread.....
Was out on a about a 2000km ride with my mate. Before the ride I bought a stock OEM Kawa oil filter - usually I always use HiFlow ones.....
Anyway 700km later (an thankfully near a town) and my bike was lacking power and minutes later died out..... started it up again only to hear a horrendous rattle/clanking in the engine and 90% of power gone... managed to ride it at like 10km/h back into town...couldnt care about what extra damage was occurring because it was either tolerable (broken rocker arm or I suspected big end failure)
Was hoping it may be a broken rocker arm, but after I got it back home (involving a 12 hour epic being doubled on the back of a GS800 and then immediately driving back with trailer to finally arrive at midnight) no valve train issues - looks to me like I had an oil pump failure and big end failure........ no the oil filter was not a culprit but I find it funny that the first I use a OEM filter I have this happen!
No more kle...... all this with a immaculately maintained 25,00km engine... think I got a dud...
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Next HU Events
ALL Dates subject to change.
2025 Confirmed Events:
- Virginia: April 24-27 2025
- Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
- Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
- CanWest: July 10-13 2025
- Switzerland: Date TBC
- Ecuador: Date TBC
- Romania: Date TBC
- Austria: Sept. 11-14
- California: September 18-21
- France: September 19-21 2025
- Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025
Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!
Questions about an event? Ask here
See all event details
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...
2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.
"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)
Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.
Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.
Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!
What others say about HU...
"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia
"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK
"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia
"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA
"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada
"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa
"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia
"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany
Lots more comments here!
Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook
"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.
Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!
New to Horizons Unlimited?
New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!
Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.
Read more about Grant & Susan's story
Membership - help keep us going!
Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.
You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.
|
|
|