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BBC News - Land Rover confirms new version of its Defender model

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Thanks for posting.

Looks more like a Freelander in the picture on the BBC website. Shapes are definitely heading into the 21st Century though, now you just need to hope that it will get some quality diesel engines as well...
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Looks like another plastic chelsea tractor....

And as it has be to cheaper and won't be sold to the military, you just know it is going to be plastic and full of electronics...

Sad times....
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2015! Wow, I can't wait.

The last time I saw the UK military close up they had lots of LRs in all sorts of configurations, so, subject to the MoD procurement rules, I can't see why they won't continue to buy LR in the future.

In the meantime, the French Gendarmie have a number running about in their bit of the Alps and the Italian armed forces have shed loads of them, both their army and the Caribinieri. The Italians used LR extensively in the Balkans.
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"Land Rover insists its next Defender will be a rugged workhorse, having ruled out moving it upmarket as a luxurious car that simply looks butch on the outside," says BBC business reporter Jorn Madslien.

is this guy looking at the same picture? it doesn't look much like a rugged workhorse to me.
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is this guy looking at the same picture? it doesn't look much like a rugged workhorse to me.
He probably means for a drug dealer, silly

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landrover nearly lost the MOD contract when the 'Wolf' was designed.
They didn't win it because they had the best or most suitable or capable vehicle. they won it because it was politically unacceptable for them to lose it, at that time.
I agree with the above comments. that is not a workhorse vehicle in the pictures, it's a chelsea tractor.
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Thanks for posting.

Looks more like a Freelander in the picture on the BBC website. Shapes are definitely heading into the 21st Century though, now you just need to hope that it will get some quality diesel engines as well...
Land Rover Freelanders and RR Evoque are using a newish 2.2 diesel, imagine thats what the defender will havr to use - so cetainly a common rail, which rule ous servicing in the field with out computers !

UNfortunately I think this is a bit of a toughhie for LR damned if they do and damned if they don't!
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Yeah LR are in a difficult position, they have to sell vehicles in North America and Europe to help cover develpoment costs and 'improve the marques image' so any engine has to meet emissions legislation on both continents, be smooth refined, powerful and fuel effecient.

Yet for 3rd world use, we need simple reliable under stressed engines that run on crap diesel and can be bush repaired without a laptop/technician

On several occasions when working for Land Rover UK as an employee I suggested they make a 'bling' new defender for NAmerica/Europe markets on a modified T5 chassis with air/independent suspension, CRD engines and all the electronic gubbins - and a coiler with live axles, a proper 3 litre or more non CRD engine with minimal electrics for ROW (with some build quality please)

I get thoroughly annoyed with LR's insistance of using 2.5L or smaller engines in Defender/Defender replacement - start with a decent sized understressed bloody engine and make it bombproof.

Im sure LR will follow the herd and produce a plastic POS that sells well - and Id buy one here in Canada to replace our ageing gas guzzling Discovery, but I will keep the 300Tdi Defender for overlanding.......
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Unfortunately the only defender (series) landrover with a right size engine was the V8 . They dont seem to get the big engine /low stress since they went from series which was a medium engine/low stress unit. The 300 tdi was almost there pity it wasnt a six 3.75ltr.
It would be a good idea to have a big engine that has all the emissions crap , but can go to a dirty but usable mode when a sensor or chip fails !
And as already posted they need to realise they make enough plastic poser vehicles and need to retain 1 workhorse that is suitable to modify to "multirole" . JMHO
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The other purchase the mod have done is the panther - an iveco base product with a boat like hull that deflects blasts and no one sits over a wheel.

Again heavier than 3.5 tonnes, the landy isn't up to it for the military nowadays. Now if landrover had carried on developng the 101 into the lama into ? they might be there but even waving the flag probabily isn't going to get them massive orders now
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Moggy and Russ are right - they are hamstrung by emissions legislation. But some of the stuff like electric diff lock actuators IS overengineering rather than mandated by legislation. And I'm also with Gipper - Landrover should do what Toyota did with the 100 for Europe/NA and the 105 for ROW.

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Yeah LR are in a difficult position, they have to sell vehicles in North America and Europe to help cover develpoment costs and 'improve the marques image' so any engine has to meet emissions legislation on both continents, be smooth refined, powerful and fuel effecient.

Yet for 3rd world use, we need simple reliable under stressed engines that run on crap diesel and can be bush repaired without a laptop/technician

On several occasions when working for Land Rover UK as an employee I suggested they make a 'bling' new defender for NAmerica/Europe markets on a modified T5 chassis with air/independent suspension, CRD engines and all the electronic gubbins - and a coiler with live axles, a proper 3 litre or more non CRD engine with minimal electrics for ROW (with some build quality please)

I get thoroughly annoyed with LR's insistance of using 2.5L or smaller engines in Defender/Defender replacement - start with a decent sized understressed bloody engine and make it bombproof.

Im sure LR will follow the herd and produce a plastic POS that sells well - and Id buy one here in Canada to replace our ageing gas guzzling Discovery, but I will keep the 300Tdi Defender for overlanding.......
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Moggy and Russ are right - they are hamstrung by emissions legislation. But some of the stuff like electric diff lock actuators IS overengineering rather than mandated by legislation. And I'm also with Gipper - Landrover should do what Toyota did with the 100 for Europe/NA and the 105 for ROW.
I’m guessing the real reason is that those touch pad actuators and the associated electronic logic are actually cheaper to manufacture that the nice basic pull levers for the diff locks that my 1986 G Wagen had. The mechanical mechanism for hi – low range was also a really nice piece of engineering. You engaged low or high range but the mechanism wasn’t actually directly connected to the transfer box. It would only move ratio’s when the syncro was ready.
I also assume that the auto box on the PUR is electronically controlled. Worse than that it will be integrated in to the engine management. So a sensor failure/poor connection/broken wire on the gearbox will also affect the engine and vice versa. Wonder if it’s CAN bus as well
Not bothered really, I’ll never own one
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