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As someone who spent time in both Iraq and Saudi Arabia in the past few months, I feel that I need to add some comments to this thread, as its not entirely accurate, in my opinion.
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Nice, which parts of Iraq were you in?
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Calling Iraq safe and calm is rather inaccurate. Compared to what it was like during the American or ISIS occupation, its certainly far better than it was at any time in the last two decades. However, I have to question what part of the country you visited if you felt it was safe.
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Things like safety are quite personal, according to one's risk aversoty and confidence, and ability to look at things objectively rather than thinking 'what if...'. In my experience Iraq was safe and calm. I drove from Basra up to Karbala, Hillah, Najaf, Diwaniyah, Nasiriyah, Chibayish, Qurna, Amarah, Kut, Baghdad, Samarra, Tikrit, Mosul, Zakho and into Turkey.
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While ISIS was largely removed from power, they continue to launch strikes several times a week, mostly at night. People are being killed often. Its absolutely not safe at night, particularly in the north (Mosul, and many parts of western Iraqi-Kurdistan).
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There are areas which are not safe, for example parts of Diyala, the western desert regions of Nineveh, the Hirmal mountains, but the police will keep you out of these regions. Typically these places are away from the highway, and attacks target the police / army. If you are saying Mosul city is unsafe, I strongly disagree. I spent three days there walking around the city day and night. All local poeple who I asked said it was now safe, and it felt that way. I am not sure about Hatra, I had an offer to go there ($200 for the escort) but chose not to, partly for safety. You won't get there without local connections.
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As for southern Iraq, there's a lot of political tension, and unless you are fluent in Arabic, you'd have a very difficult time getting past the huge number of military/militia checkpoints that exist throughout the country.
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Not my experience. I speak no Arabic. Very nearly all checkpoints were friendly. They can be aggravating if you are in a hurry (don't be in a hurry in Iraq), but I always got through. The only troublesome checkpoint I had was just outside Baghdad on the road to Ctesiphon where I was refused entry and had to take a small road through the fields to reach.
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I'm not saying don't go to Iraq, but definitely do not go there thinking its "safe and calm". While the odds of being harmed are relatively low, they are not zero. This isn't Jordan.
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I stand by saying Iraq was safe and calm - in my experience. It is a place that requires a sense of adventure, it's not Switzerland, and there are some no-go areas, but rather like Pakistan, the police will keep you out of them. No areas have zero risk of being harmed. Driving anywhere in the Middle East is already a risky activity.
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Saudi Arabia is definitely open to tourists for the first time, in most people's lifetime. But the country is not entirely ready for tourism. There's a lot of ignorance, confusion and basic lack of understanding of how tourism works. Most places that I went didn't even understand how to read a foreign passport, and still have no clue what a tourist visa looks like. I had one guy staring at my Sudanese visa from over a year ago, demanding to know why it was expired, because he thought it was my Saudi visa. And to add to that there seems to be fear or concern that tourists are going to either cause problems or get hurt. There were so many places that I visited where I either had some random minder following me about scolding me for doing anything at all, or outright refusing to let me do something like following a clearly labeled hiking trail (Hegra & Al Waha crater).
Absolutely go, but be prepared for some friction.
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I've not been to Saudi, but what you describe sounds exactly like the priveleged view of someone visiting a country that has just opened to the outside world. That is an amazing travel experience for me. Be glad it is not 'ready for tourism'. If you want 5 star service, English speaking waiters and cold  , try an all-inclusive resort in Alanya.
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