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"December 2008:
Came to Syria through Gaziantep, then to Jordan, from Jordan to Israel, through King Houssein border, which is the northern border. I got refused on the Jordan side, and had to go back to Amman to get a paper from some kind of administration, to allow me the border crossing with my bike.
So, back to the same border.
Getting in:
I managed to get a stamp on a separate piece of paper on the jordanian side. Israel border: surreal. Gun pointed at me - because I had lights on. Then 5 hours of inspection and questionning, because of the syrian visa ("why do you have a syrian visa?" I got the world map out of my bag... No joke. I had to explain that lybia is not that easy, and Irak not easier... "Do you have a return plane ticket?" My bike was parked right in front of her...). I managed to get a separate stamp for me, but NOT for the motorcycle (you don't need a carnet, but the importation of the vehicle is marked in the passport itself). The stamp is either in english or...in hebrew.
Getting out:
Much easier on the Israel side, for I knew everyone there. Surreal again (shaking hands, talking for hours about the travel, life in israel and so on). Managed to get the stamp on a separate paper. For the vehicule, same again: stamp on the passport - quite big this time.
Jordan side: I explained everything ("please do not stamp the passport, I'm going back to Syria, etc" "aïwa, aïwa, no problem"). No problem until I had to put my hand between the carnet and the stamp. He stamped my hand. Then looked at me, intrigued, and then sorry, when he realised what he was about to do.
Happy ending.
I went back to Syria, then to Turkey and Iran. Nobody suspected anything. Somebody I met on the road had to argue that the stamp for the exit of the israelian territory was a stamp from cambodia. It took some time, but it worked."
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Thanks Vincek. I had not seen that one before, very interesting. Was it you, or someone else? Do you have a link to the origional thread?
So he is saying that to get out of Jordan with your bike requires a special pass from Amman. When entering Israel, he managed to get his own stamp on a piece of paper, but the vehicle importation was marked right in the passport, and then stamped on the seperate Jordanian thing? Woudn't that be a complete give away when you got back to Syria?
Interesting, and good to hear. I'd like to know more about what documentation you had to get from Amman bescides a double entry visa, for the bike to be able to temp import it out of Jordan and back in. My understanding is that at that partictular border crossing, you cannot get any visa's, you have to already have them in hand.
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Sorry, I don't have the link of the original thread right now, but if you have a look at my posts, you should find easily (it's on the first page of the middle east section).
What happened was that Jordan customs and authorities are scared to death that someone could do something in Israël because of a negligence on their side. So they're extra careful. This extra carefulness was acted by my entry refusal: they were convinced that I would have been turned out on the israeli side, and therefore that they would have been blamed for letting me in in the first place. Now, if the same guys are still working at this border (rather nice people), if you say that some other motorcyclists have crossed the border already (one of them with a french registered blue and white BMW k100), I suppose it should be no problem. Cars get in easily...
As regard to the document I got in Amman, I really don't know what it was: I got sent from buildings to buildings for a while, until I kind of lost patience and ask them to write me any bloody document that would get me through the first gate (my girlfriend was landing few days later to join me for two weeks. Knowing I was in Syria at the time, she got the interesting idea to include Tel-Aviv in "any city in the states surrounding Syria"...). I got the document, and it work. I still don't know what was written on it.
The vehicle stamp on the passport is a different issue. It can be either in English, OR in Hebrew. In the latter case, it is a complete give away. In the former, it depends on the guy at the Syrian border.
I had a single entry visa for Jordan, and got a new one when I came back from Israel (a double entry visa is a give away too...). You therefore have to pay twice the visa, the exit tax and the compulsory insurance. You can get visa at any Jordanian border, as far as I know.
For Israel, bring your green card: insurance is compulsory, and cost about 100$ at the border if you don't already have one.
Hope this is clear enough, and if you have any questions, don't hesitate.
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That is clear, thank you very much. It sounds like I will be completely screwed if I get the hebrew vehicle stamp in my passport, so perhaps I can try really hard to get that on a seperate piece of paper as well. Or do what you did, and physically put my hand in front of the stamp to try and stop them.
So they check your Jordanian visa when coming back into Syria then. I would think that they would only care about syrian visa's at that point, but your right, it would be a give away also. You could try saying that you were going to ride in Saudi Arabia, or possibly Egypt, and that's why you bought the double entry, but then never actually left Jordan. Who knows. It still sounds like even if you do everything right, you still need to have a bit of luck.
If you got absoloutly screwed, you could always go back to Israel and take that extremely over priced ferry to cyprus and out to greece. I really don't want it to come to that however. Thanks again..
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In case you decide to leave your bike at the Jordanian side.
I left it last year, with most of my luggage, at the border in the garage of 'mister Ali' witch is next to a enclosed parking place. The charged me one Jordanian pound a day, and got it back the way I left it.
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That sounds fairly good, about a dollar and a half a day, about $100 for just over two months. How long did you leave it there for? Is it just a normal enclosed garage, or is it open to the eye, and guarded? Do you have any rough directions or possible GPS coordinates? Thanks
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It's I think what you would call a garage box there's someone present the whole day. It's got steel doors so your bike is out of sight.
It's about a hundred meters before the actual border crossing on your right
like I said, next to a parking place for cars witch has a big P sign in front of it. You can't really miss it, and if you do, it took me just one person to ask.
I've got a picture of it, but have no clue how to put it on this side. So if you want to see what it looks like I can send it to your email address.
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