Nomadb, as travelers rely on your information on the HUBB, it would be good not to make a statement about an area you have not been to personally (Hakkari). I can assure you, it looks different from what you see on TV in Istanbul.

Well Travelbug, same thing applies to your comments about northern Iraq beeing safe and stable, been there done that, my observation is quite contrary.

Actually no more coments from my side since travellers can make their own opinions anyway.

Regards

This Youtube-video represents pretty well what I saw this year on the Hakkari Road. The only thing missing is the fighter jets. And the 30 military checkpoints with tanks (as opposed to police checkpoints!) with VERY nervous soldiers. Judge for yourself.

YouTube - Hakkari Çukurca Işıklı Karakolu 1987/1


Now here is the real situation in Iraqi Kurdistan (as I witnessed it this year, too):

from: Iraqi Kurdistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"As a major economic power in Iraq, Kurdistan has the lowest poverty rates and highest standard of living in Iraq.[3] It is the most stable and secure region of Iraq where not a single coalition soldier or foreigner has been killed, wounded or kidnapped since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[4] Maintaining its own foreign relations, Kurdistan hosts a number of consulates and representation offices of countries most notably those of the United States, the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Italy, Israel and Russia.[5][6]
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and from: Kurdistan Region Presidency, Security

"The Kurdistan Region boasts a remarkable security record. Since the war that toppled Saddam Hussein from power in 2003, not a single US soldier has been killed in Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG)-controlled territory. Thanks primarily to its successes in this arena, life in the Kurdistan Region has largely returned to normal and economic development is booming. The current Chief of Intelligence and Security for the Kurdistan Region is Masrour Barzani, who has been serving in this post since 1999."

Or: Kurdistan - The Other Iraq

Or: Backpacking Iraqi Kurdistan: Getting into Iraqi Kurdistan


Talking to experienced travelers: both "countries" are doable, but - as I said - in the Turkish part you need good nerves.

Thank you for expanding and sharing thoughts, ideas & experience. Wayne

Dear Travel bug,

I have looked at the youtube link, it shows a border military base, did I get the right link?

If yes, considering the unfortunate situation in Iraq, the borders needs to be controlled. The region as is can not be compared to borders berween US and Canada or between Eropean countries.

I also noticed the links of wiki about Norther Iraq. Northern Iraq is indeed more stable compared to Bagdat region as is. However, still there are problems, bombings and much more army presence on the road. I happened to be there very recently, the road has many blocks where you are stoped an ID's are controlled. To get in the airport the security measures tells you the real story. I had team members who almost witnessed mass bombings in fairly large city. I repeat again this are fist hand experiences.


In my humble opinion comparing Turkiye with Northern Iraq is like balck and white. As a person living in the region and with real life expereince, this what I would contribute here.

Finally I sincerel wish to be ableto witness a safe and peacufull region in short future. The people living there deserve better conditions.

Regards