Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Regional Forums > Morocco
Morocco Topics specific to Morocco, including Western Sahara west of the berm
Photo by Hendi Kaf, in Cambodia

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Hendi Kaf,
in Cambodia



Like Tree24Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 19 Dec 2013
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 59
Western Sahara Inlands - a guidebook for 4x4 overlanders

... so I decided to distil my knowledge on the Western Sahara and write a guidebook addressed specifically to 4x4 overlanders, who want to explore this part of the Sahara.

In the last three years, I have spent all together more than seven months in the inlands of the WS, drove more than 15 kkm of different pistes and cross-country connections, always exploring new parts of this country and searching for interesting places. And the work continues, I'm in WS at the moment and intend to stay here for some months, working on the guidebook.

I started an Indiegogo project to raise funds required for effective finishing the research for the guidebook and to print it.
--> link Here.

I tried to explain the subject and the objectives in depth at the project page, so there is no need to repeat it here. Just to emphasize some points:
- The perks (right column on the project page) enable you to effectively preorder the guidebook.
- The financial type of the project is a "fixed funding", which effectively means that in the case the minimum funds (enabling the production of the guidebook) are not raised, all contributions will be refunded back to the contributors.
- If you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact me and ask.

Hope to meet you in the inlands of the WS soon!

__________________
I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood ...
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 22 Dec 2013
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 59
Created a FB page where I will post fresh info from the work in progress as well as some hints on the places worth visiting in the inlands of the WS:

https://www.facebook.com/wsinlands
__________________
I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood ...
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 23 Dec 2013
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 1,232
hello again!! was about to post something on here about your trip, but you beat me to it!!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 23 Jan 2014
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Granada-Spain
Posts: 247
Well vrecha, I´m atonished since I view the map on your facebook page. Specially when I saw your porposal for off-the-pist routes in the surroundings of Ausserd.

Don´t you know that area is so dangerous because of the mines? Have you asked the locals or militars for it? In these reports Reports of the Secretary-General on MINURSO - United Nations Mission for the Referendum in Western Sahara you can read every year there are some casualties because of the mines, three years ago the president of the town council of Ausserd with two moroccan parlamentaries died in a mine accident. I think is irresponsible and stupid assume such kind of risk. Much more propose to another this routes.

There are plenty of mines in WS. I´ve heard that about 10.000.000. Areas as Ausserd, some coastal zones, Imlili, surroundings of Dakhla... are very dangerous. I encourage everybody not to leave used pistes in WS.

In adition I don´t know how you could do that circular route arround Ausserd, it´s a forbidden area. I know it well, two years ago I was intercepted by two militar 200 HP Land Cruisers and then retained by the Gendarmerie Royal for a day for interrogate me...

This is the chasis of an old Land Rover beated by a mine explosion only three meters from the piste near Bir Matalah, SW of Ausserd

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 25 Jan 2014
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 59
Dear pera,
thank you very much for the opinion and concern expressed in your post and thank you a little less for the authoritative and protective manner with which you expressed it.

[edit]

Really I don't see a reason for answering all of your questions, but for a starter, let me inform you that:
- I read the MINURSO reports you linked.
- I haven't heard of the specific incident you mentioned, I asked the neighbours and the military yesterday and they don't know about it, either (although both those sources are not 100% reliable, each for its own reasons).

And yes, by the way, I live in Aousserd. That should explain some other things you are questioning yourself about (me having access to the pistes you don't, for example).

[edit]

I will end this with an example of a more positive snapshot from WS, a type of a place I like visiting and I search for in my exploration of WS (and btw, even the area around Bir Mataalah you mentioned is quite an interesting one, if you are able to look over the beaten LR chassis).

__________________
I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood ...

Last edited by markharf; 31 Jan 2014 at 20:20.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 25 Jan 2014
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Granada-Spain
Posts: 247
Hi vrecha, I´m sorry, I can read English but barely speak/write enough for eat and sleep when I travel. Perhaps the literal translation of my atonishment sounds authoritative or protective.

But I uphold everything I writed up. I don´t mind your bussines but I think it´s compulsory repeat this: I encourage everybody not to leave used (old military tracks unused also can be dangerous) pistes in WS., there are dangerous and very dangerous places there. Mostly for the security of the overlanding community you talk.

If you have not found nothing in the links here you have two samples. The schema of the reports it´s the same year a year.



ç28. Unfortunately, the reporting period also saw an increase in the number of mine
accidents involving the local population, according to reports (not all of which could
be verified by United Nations military observers) received by the MINURSO Mine
Action Coordination Centre from a variety of sources. A total of 18 accidents
occurred in 2008 (12 on the west side of the berm and six on the east side), which
constitutes an increase from the eight accidents previously reported in 2007
(S/2008/251, para. 27). While the increase was likely due in part to better and more
intensive accident-information collection, heavy rains during the beginning of the
year were also a key factor in creating a spike in the number of accidents related to
mines and unexploded ordnance. Notably, while three accidents were reported for
January and February 2008 (S/2008/251, para. 27), that number increased to eight
during the first two months of 2009.


Report of the Secretary-General on the situation concerning Western Sahara, 13 April 2009


54. The widespread contamination caused by landmines and explosive remnants of
war throughout Western Sahara continues to endanger the lives of the local
population, MINURSO military observers and logistical teams. During the reporting
period, nine accidents resulted in injuries to two civilians on the east side of the
berm. The Royal Moroccan Army reported 25 accidents in which 3 people were
killed and 30 injured on the west side of the berm. MINURSO continues to take
steps to ensure the safety of United Nations personnel with the support of the
Mission’s Mine Action Coordination Centre.


Report of the Secretary-General on the situation concerning Western Sahara, 8 April 2013


Since 1975, Moroccan authorities have registered at least 2,171 accidents caused by mines and explosive remnants of war

Report of the Secretary-General on the situation concerning Western Sahara, 14 April 2008


I also have found this, there is more than mines




Reports of the Secretary-General on MINURSO - United Nations Mission for the Referendum in Western Sahara

Last edited by pera; 26 Jan 2014 at 00:17.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 26 Jan 2014
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Granada-Spain
Posts: 247

















Be carefull there and responsible then

Last edited by markharf; 31 Jan 2014 at 20:22.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 26 Jan 2014
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2
Good morning, I have long been reading this great forum, I checked two years ago ... and now I find a good reason to write a post.

Thanks for your clarifications pera , Atlantic Western Sahara is not a ground for 4x4/motobike games, almost every year on the local population for injuries / deaths from mines. We must be very careful in the paths of the tracks and off-piste are very dangerous in general.

The data provided pera are very reliable ... and there is plenty of data on mines and security in that area

Moreover Mr. Jacques Gandini , in 2006 published a guide WPTS and history of this area , there are currently for sale a new 2014 edition . In this guide , the No. 6, and their other guides: No. 3 , for example, Mr. Gandini, always working with civilian and military authorities of the area and the necessary permissions ... clearly warns of the dangers of mines. And Mr. Gandini points in their guides / books where you can travel safely either on track or off track.

For many years I worked in the area of Western Sahara and have travel - permit - its tracks , I do not speak from ignorance . All who participated in the Paris / Dakar rally that spanned the Western Sahara to go to Mauritania and Senegal, are well aware of the dangers that were mine and which still exist ...it's not a scary story

Pistes du Maroc Tome 6 (2014) - Extrem'Sud

Guides - Extrem'Sud

Guide 2006:



Believe me: I know very well what I'm talking about. And what he's talking pera.

Tres de ida y vuelta, por favor.
Sahara Atlántico/Occidental: 1ª travesía integral en Kuá
Marruecos;provincias saharianas
Sahara Occidental: la Magic Line
Sahara Occidental: un paseo por la nada

Last edited by francesi; 28 Jan 2014 at 14:03.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 31 Jan 2014
Banned
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Monaco
Posts: 336
Vrecha, great project! Thanks for making us aware of your book.

[edit]

I follow your way of thinking.

[edit]

Last edited by markharf; 31 Jan 2014 at 20:24.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 31 Jan 2014
Super Moderator
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Bellingham, WA, USA
Posts: 3,982
I propose that anyone wishing to post on this thread stay calm and respectful, bearing in mind that the goal here is to share information, ideas, and experience--not to bash the information, ideas or experiences offered by others.

I'll also suggest that we all try to bear in mind that it can be difficult to communicate clearly in English, even for native speakers like myself. This implies giving other posters, for whom English might not come easily, the benefit of the doubt as much as possible.

Thanks.

Mark
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 31 Jan 2014
Contributing Vendor
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Northumberland, UK
Posts: 558
I agree; keep it civil folks. The HUBB's about sharing information and I think that's now been done. Let's leave it at that.

Happy trails,

Peter
__________________
Atlas Overland - Specialist adventure tour company providing off-road holidays for 4x4 enthusiasts in Europe and North Africa.
Tours to Morocco, Iceland, Arctic Circle, Portugal, Alps, Pyrenees, Eastern Europe, Corsica, and UK weekend tours.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 31 Jan 2014
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Granada-Spain
Posts: 247
Thanks Markhaf and Peter.

Last edited by pera; 31 Jan 2014 at 21:29.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 31 Jan 2014
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Granada-Spain
Posts: 247
Despite of the UN reports,the pics of the chassis, and the unexploited bomb are mine, and I´ve also see friends pics of mines they have found and marked. The danger is real. I´ve no political nor financial interest in WS, I´m a simple tourist that spends most of his holidays in my loved WS

Last edited by pera; 31 Jan 2014 at 21:30.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 31 Jan 2014
Super Moderator
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Bellingham, WA, USA
Posts: 3,982
Ok folks, I've done a quick edit to eliminate some less-than-optimal posting. Another moderator previously deleted other stuff before me. Please keep it on topic, respectful, and informative. Edit out insults before posting.

The alternative is to carry on as before and watch the thread disappear as if it never happened.

Thanks.

Mark
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 31 Mar 2014
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Granada-Spain
Posts: 247
Well, it´s not my imagination. A couple of months there was a mine accident at Western Sahara.

You can read it here Carro de cineastas brasileiros é atingido por mina e explode no Saara Ocidental - Mundo & Ciência - O Dia
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Return to the Western Sahara TheWarden 4 Wheels Travel Reports 12 21 Jul 2014 23:35
Visa/Permit for Western Sahara? badbishop sub-Saharan Africa 6 14 Oct 2013 00:42
Western Sahara - Late December twenty4seven Travellers Seeking Travellers 0 12 Sep 2012 18:40
Western Sahara Maps and places of interest kingkurt North Africa 6 11 Sep 2012 16:42
Western Sahara Trip Report reggwensie Morocco 10 9 Apr 2012 19:49

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

25 years of HU Events
Be sure to join us for this huge milestone!

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

Virginia: April 24-27
Queensland is back! May 2-5
Ecuador June 13-15
Germany Summer: May 29-June 1
CanWest: July 10-13
Switzerland: Date TBC
Ecuador: Date TBC
Romania: Date TBC
Austria: Sept. 11-14
California: September 18-21
France: September 19-21
Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 15:05.