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Just tested it on the montana, it is like I expained above: after you have send the new map to the device you have to disable it in al the profiles exept one. If you do it like this you can use many different maps without errors


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Montana 600 for me

As Petrus says maps are available under all profiles, so you need to disable the ones you don't want in a particular profile

Access the map setup as Bertrand posted above. You can then enable/disable each map leaving one enabled in that profile. Repeat for other profiles and then when you change your profile your enabled map is displayed.

Then switching profiles switches the active map quickly
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Red face An apology to The Warden and to everyone

I was wrong as trying to enable/disable maps in my 600 was erratic hence my call to Garmin who confirmed that it was not possible.

This has nagged me as it seemed strange that it would work one minute and not the next on my unit- so I did a hard reset- and it now works.

I telephoned Garmin again this morning and was initially told again that it could only be done with the original profiles-
This did not make sense to me so the matter was escalated to a more knowledgeable boffin and, lo and behold: YES, it can be done.

Apologies again to all for my bum steer!
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Just two cents, I downloaded Nepal (and more) from OSM with my phone, save the file to an external SD card, place this file in your garmin (62 st in my case) and bam! The whole map is in the device. In minutes (if wifi is decent!) You can add whole regions.
Perhaps old news, perhaps useful!

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Just two cents, I downloaded Nepal (and more) from OSM with my phone, save the file to an external SD card, place this file in your garmin (62 st in my case) and bam! The whole map is in the device. In minutes (if wifi is decent!) You can add whole regions.
Download time will depend also on the number of bytes in the map ..

The larger the area - more bytes
The more detail in the map - more bytes

Don't think Nepal and surrounds will have much detail, thus less bytes thus less time for the download. Something to be said for less detail and less infrastructure?
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It's a shame Olaf isn't being updated any more. I used to send very carefully curated submissions in the past which he found easy to add and I would be delighted if he was to add my fuel waypoints (330+) and hotel/camping waypoints (300+) into the mapsets. Probably wouldn't take half an hour.

I did look at what was involved in taking over the maintenance (assuming Olaf would agree) but it seems one heck of a learning curve. Olaf is definitely behind the times with some of the new motorways/expressways and OSM might have the edge on a street map of M'hamid (see previous post) but I'm more interested in remote stuff.

Major tracks haven't changed much and I've just had a quick check of an area I know well comparing OSM and Olaf. OSM lacks village names, hotel waypoints, and a lot of well-known tracks, so Olaf is still tops for me.

This might not be the same in the area you are interested in, OSM might be the best solution.

But I remain open minded and I'd love to move away from a reliance on obsolete Garmin Mapsource software (Basecamp is cr*p) and having to run Windows XP under Parallels Desktop under Mac OS! I couldn't even get up the enthusiasm to rerun my longstanding GPS workshop at the last HUBBUK meet.

I've had my mind blown by using Wayz in London. Why would anyone use Garmin/TomTom SatNav when you can have real-time crowd-updated traffic avoidances? I even get to see the location of fellow Wayzers on the screen who are reporting the conditions ahead of me.

So I'm now looking to mount my iPhone to the bike...

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About the update for osm. .. while trekking I found some emergency shelters which were not on the gps. Also some other minor things. I wrote them down, can/should I upload them somewhere? Might be useful for others as well!

A map will never be 100% complete. They have never been (I remember my mon and dad in full panic with 3 kids on the back seat towing the caravan through a small village where there had to be a campsite.... ended up sleeping at a 'hell's angels' camp and my mom was scared as could be ) and they will never be a 100%.

Truthfully, that's good. Keeps you sane and keeps you thinking. I stopped using TomTom in Netherlands so I learn where the roads are. A look at signs, I read a map and - best of all - I ask for directions and talk to 'natives'. Yes, slower but so much more fun.
And while hiking, as long as I know I'm going the right direction, I don't need all the hotel's, exits, fuel stations... a basic hint and what's coming is maybe enough.

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I was wrong as trying to enable/disable maps in my 600 was erratic hence my call to Garmin who confirmed that it was not possible.

This has nagged me as it seemed strange that it would work one minute and not the next on my unit- so I did a hard reset- and it now works.

I telephoned Garmin again this morning and was initially told again that it could only be done with the original profiles-
This did not make sense to me so the matter was escalated to a more knowledgeable boffin and, lo and behold: YES, it can be done.

Apologies again to all for my bum steer!
Glad you got it worked out, it really is nice feature and I use it a lot on my trips depending if I'm following a planned off road route or want turn by turn directions in a town. Obviously you can customise so much its not just the maps that are different but the dashboards etc as well.

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My 600, 64ST and Monterra have all been customised from top to bottom. The 600 though was the one which gave me erratic workings on the map selection only. Strange -
Just like most electronic items, (and occasionally humans!) they all need a hard reset at times!
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It's a shame Olaf isn't being updated any more.

I've had my mind blown by using Wayz in London. Why would anyone use Garmin/TomTom SatNav when you can have real-time crowd-updated traffic avoidances? I even get to see the location of fellow Wayzers on the screen who are reporting the conditions ahead of me.

So I'm now looking to mount my iPhone to the bike...

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I imagine he, said guy Olaf, saw the future on the horizon back in 2009 - that of OSM which has about 1.5 million contributors.
Telenav buys OpenStreetMap GPS firm to drive out competition | Satnav News | TechRadar

There again, in 2014 the originator of OSM has "gone in" with Telenav in some form or other; maybe a director?
It would be vaguely interesting to know how that development has influenced the flow of freely provided data into the OSM project.

Wase is owned by Google; it is said that Wase is not adverse to sharing your data with other parties, such as the police potentially.
Here's an example of sharing:
Mayor Walsh Announces Data-Sharing Partnership with Waze Aimed at Improving Traffic in Boston | City of Boston
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Look at the Waze permissions required....
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About the update for osm. .. while trekking I found some emergency shelters which were not on the gps. Also some other minor things. I wrote them down, can/should I upload them somewhere? Might be useful for others as well
For those will lots of time OpenStreetMap Wiki

---- A targeted description ..

Several different ways of getting Data into OSM ... easiest is the web based one .. needs a reasonable web connection .. actually they all do.

The first issue is .. what are you trying to add to the map? You need to select it so you can tell OSM what it is.

I think tourism=wilderness_hut Tag:tourism=wilderness_hut - OpenStreetMap Wiki "Wilderness hut or backcountry hut is a remote building, with generally a fireplace, intended to provide temporary shelter and sleeping accommodation. "

Having elected what you want to add .. then you will need to register ... email address and a password..
Use http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/27.6965/85.4515

The last two numbers are the GPS location you wan to edit .. North/South first .. North is positive ... the second is East/West .. West is negative. That will save you time panning from one place to another. This brings up a map page - shows you what is there now. I have set the numbers to be close to Kathmandu.

Click on the 'EDIT' tab and you then register.. then add your data. The map then changes to include your data .. yes it is that quick! It will take time for your map to be updated .. depending on how long the particular 'renderer' (map drawer) takes to updata their rendering. Some are days (OSMAnd for instance), some are months (mapsme for instance).

An alternative .... give the data to an OSM mapper and hope they do it for you. You will need to describe what you found .. a photo is good, as well as the location .. datum WGS84? ... and any other thing you think relevant.
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There again, in 2014 the originator of OSM has "gone in" with Telenav in some form or other; maybe a director?
Reading into a bit more about the OSM founder, Steve Coast, it is likely that he is an employee of Telenav rather than a director.
Apparently he worked for Microsoft (Bing maps) for about 3 years also.
History of OpenStreetMap - OpenStreetMap Wiki

The whole business of "who owns the maps" continues to morph.

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For those will lots of time OpenStreetMap Wiki

---- A targeted description ..

Several different ways of getting Data into OSM ... easiest is the web based one .. needs a reasonable web connection .. actually they all do.

The first issue is .. what are you trying to add to the map? You need to select it so you can tell OSM what it is.

I think tourism=wilderness_hut Tag:tourism=wilderness_hut - OpenStreetMap Wiki "Wilderness hut or backcountry hut is a remote building, with generally a fireplace, intended to provide temporary shelter and sleeping accommodation. "

Having elected what you want to add .. then you will need to register ... email address and a password..
Use OpenStreetMap

The last two numbers are the GPS location you wan to edit .. North/South first .. North is positive ... the second is East/West .. West is negative. That will save you time panning from one place to another. This brings up a map page - shows you what is there now. I have set the numbers to be close to Kathmandu.

Click on the 'EDIT' tab and you then register.. then add your data. The map then changes to include your data .. yes it is that quick! It will take time for your map to be updated .. depending on how long the particular 'renderer' (map drawer) takes to updata their rendering. Some are days (OSMAnd for instance), some are months (mapsme for instance).

An alternative .... give the data to an OSM mapper and hope they do it for you. You will need to describe what you found .. a photo is good, as well as the location .. datum WGS84? ... and any other thing you think relevant.
Interesting.
I suggest that you make a similar post to this in the sticky thread about how to download OSM;
thereby, the information may be found more readily in the future when this one has gone the way of most others.
You might also get a wider readership.
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I suggest that you make a similar post to this in the sticky thread about how to download OSM;
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Walter made one yonks ago and others have also contributed. It is 'stickied' ...
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Interesting.
I suggest that you make a similar post to this in the sticky thread about how to download OSM;
thereby, the information may be found more readily in the future when this one has gone the way of most others.
You might also get a wider readership.
Hmmmmmm.

Something was lost in the writing stage - the idea I was trying to convey is to post this (my earlier inexactitude lies in my use of "this") current information into the sticky thread that describes how to download OSM.
Thereby, those inclined to do so can contribute to the development of OSM as well as download the product.

On the other hand, the growth of OSM contributors is akin to an exponential graph it seems.
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