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All traffic on the Ounianga - Kufra route has now ceased, the only route still used between Chad & Libya is the Faya - Sebha piste along the western side of the Tibesti. Even the camel trade takes this much longer route. The situation in Kufra is unclear, the local Zuweya and Tibu have been peacefully killing each other for the past 3-4 years, with the occasional militia pickups from Benghazi coming down to fire a few rounds to separate them. The grapewine suggests that there is a lucrative illicit trade passing through the SE corner of Libya and Kufra between rebel-held Darfur and Benghazi, with migrants going one way, arms etc. the other.
In Chad you need an "Autorisation de Circuler" to travel anywhere outside N'Djamena, and no, you cannot get one to continue North to Libya (and you need a very good story to go anywhere North of Faya / Fada). The Chadian military has strong presence in the North, and the chances of slipping past them in violation of your permit is pretty slim.
To sum it up, perhaps attempting Ounianga - Kufra at present is not the best idea, but if you do give it a go, and make it through without getting in to the news, I'll be happy to pay for a pint or two to hear the story.
PS: Sam, where did you go? We were at Uweinat last month from Sudan, it was a perfect trip.
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Francis, just realised from your sig: 'Traveling nonstop to all 54 African countries …' that it may be just a matter of ticking off Libya to say you've been there, rather than using it as an alternative transit to Egypt because you have no carnet.
In that case I believe a guided excursion to Tubu-controlled Murzuk could be organised from the Zouar area, notwithstanding the AdC requirements Andras mentions.
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Driving from Chad to Libya
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Just because one group were enemies of long-dead Ghadafi won't necessarily make them your pals today. I don't suppose AQIM or Ghadafi ever saw eye to eye either.
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True, but if you read most of the news reports (like the one you sourced), they report on inter-tribal violence. Often they ignore whites (e.g., innocent bystanders) in the vendettas.
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Could be wrong but it's hard to think that insurance, even for K&R, would be valid in southern Libya any more than Iraq.
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I'm covered throughout Africa. I agree with Sam that it may not save anyone's life, but it's better than nothing.
After Kufra, I would go to the Egypt border in NE Libya.
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If you don't get a carnet or pay the alternative in Egypt, I'd simply cross Chad (escort required in west Sudan) into Cameron and then Nigeria (but carnet also required to get a visa, last I heard).
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What's "the alternative in Egypt"?
The only one I've heard is the TIP, where you put an $800 deposit, which you collect when you leave.
That would be great IF I could enter Egypt from Sudan and exit via Libya (and get my deposit back).
However, in other countries, they want you to enter and exit from the same border post.
That wouldn't work for me, which is why I am considering this Chad-Libya route.
(FYI: You don't need a carnet for Nigeria. I've been there 4 times in the last 2 years and never had a carnet. I got my visa first and go my "Laisser Passer" or TIP.)
András, thanks for the info. Do I get an "Autorisation de Circuler" from N'Djamena or can I get it from a Chad Embassy or from another authority within Chad? I prefer NOT going to N'Djamena.
I want to enter Chad from Sudan and head north to Faya to do Emi Koussi and Libya's tallest peak (Bikku Bitti, which is on the Chad border).
After summitting Bikku Bitti, I'd like to continue north to Libya, either on the western or eastern side. I figured the eastern side is better, but Andras says that route is no longer being used. I never expected any route to get more than 10 cars per year. As long as it's viable and not swarming with terrorists, I'm fine with being lonely in 1000 km.
Chris, I'm not only visiting each country, I'm trying to spend 5 weeks on average in each country AND summitting the tallest peak of each country. So that adds complications.
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Much as you describe afaik, the $800 deposit deal, and I am sure I've heard of people doing this many years ago. In the Egypt of today though, who knows what the rules are. But sounds like after Libya you are going to Egypt anyway?
Re carnet for Nigeria - must be for Brits only then (as of a few months ago).
I presume you have contacted Ginge F re: BB summit. Sounds like much more than a simple walk, like Emi K.
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Much as you describe afaik, the $800 deposit deal, and I am sure I've heard of people doing this many years ago. In the Egypt of today though, who knows what the rules are. But sounds like after Libya you are going to Egypt anyway?
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Yes, but because Egypt is such a pain in the  to bring a car in (without a carnet) that I was thinking about either:
a) Leaving the car in a secure spot for a month near the Egypt-Libya border (Bardiyah) while I take public transport into Egypt.
b) Paying the $800 deposit and then returning to the same border to recover it. It seems more likely to recover the money if I return to the same border I left it at.
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I presume you have contacted Ginge F re: BB summit. Sounds like much more than a simple walk, like Emi K.
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Yes, I've spoken to Ginge and BB is indeed a logistical nightmare to get to. You can see it marked on this map below as Bette Peak. Since it's so near the border, I'd rather plow into Libya and then go to the Northeast corner (Bardiyah) and execute either plan (a) or (b) above - assuming I don't get executed first!
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The Ounianga - Kufra route is not used because now even the Tibou consider it too risky - and that is saying something. Oh, did I mention all tracks North of Faya / Fada are randomly mined, and without a good local guide you are risking more than lost pride...
The Authorisation de Circuler can only be obtained in N'Djamena. The Sudan/Chad border is closed for everyone except UN and some NGO-s, there is no way to get anywhere close to the border (legally) on the Sudanese side.
If you are really serious about this, use the contact Ginge I'm sure mentioned or suggested. He might be able to help, but bear in mind that help comes at a pretty hefty price in Chad.
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