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route de hoggar practical info
hi this is a general request for some recent first-hand or reliable info on the hoggar route.
1. the exact locations of wells or settlements (important as i am going by bicycle)
2. the location of police roadblocks, and the rough cost of a baksheesh
3. the best way to the route - from oran or tunis?thinking of ferry costs from europe too.
no idiot replies please; no speculation etc. i have cycled through areas before that "informed" people have said were impossible or dangerous etc with no problems at all - parts of china 20 years back, southern sudan in 03, kashmir last summer etc etc
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Where exactly are you entering Algeria and exiting?
In Feb 2007, I went from Niger(via Assamaka) to Tunisia...
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"2.the location of police roadblocks, and the rough cost of a baksheesh"
No bakchich in algeria , as far I know ; we have done the route from Tunis to Djanet and then Assamaka (with our car) in Feb. 07 with a guide (of course) but no bakchich .
"3. the best way to the route - from oran or tunis?thinking of ferry costs from europe too."
Ferries are less expensive via Tunis (especially with a car) but I think there is another problem : I've heard than customs formalities and authorisations to take the road are more easy when you cross the border in Taleb Larbi (from Tunisia) .
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no idiot replies please; no speculation etc. i have cycled through areas before that "informed" people have said were impossible or dangerous etc with no problems at all
Steady on pal, you're not on the Thorn Tree now. Alg is not impossible or dangerous but you will need an escort south of El Golea (and possibly in Niger too at the moment) which will get very expensive. He can carry all the water, etc.
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sorry, no offence intended - i can see that this is a serious travel info forum, unlike some of the other tourist message boards.
there is no exact plan, just whatever happens... flexiblity is key. i don´t mind entering from tunisia or an algerian port. whatever
so let me get this straight please... "i need an escort". why? who is going to check that i have an escort? where are the checkpoints? where are the water-stops?
i have spoken in person to sevarl people who have cycled the hoggar route some years back, so i now that in terms of water it is feasible - a bicycle is actually capable of carrying more weight than you might think.
i just can´t understand that the algerian dictators are so deperate for cash that they are going to station policeman in the middle of the sahara dessert for the sake of checking a few travellers have "guides"; for if it is not dangerous then why else would there be this rule other than being a little earner for the head of tourism - judging by the prices it seems someone at the top has a monopoly over this thing.
i´m sorry to go on, but i just fail to comprehend how in the shara dessert there is not some way of avoiding these ´checkpoints´.
any trip reports on here regarding water or checkpoint locations please? a search doesn´t pull up anything.
(am on a mate´s user name, so don´t confuse this with a motor trip to ghambia)
thanx
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guides etc
Having travelled the route this year (by car) I'd make a couple of points.
Police checkpoints are a fact of life all over N Africa (and most of Africa in fact) and can be an irritation but not necessarily a problem. In fact I've sometimes found them very helpful. We were very happy to camp by one South of Gao after being threatened at a remote location. And on previous trips I've found them to be top-class at arranging lifts when hitchhiking.
The key item to have at any checkpoint is a clear copy of your "fiche" with all of the details they need to record in their ledger. (Name/Nat/DOB/Passport & Visa details/.... make of bike)
The (many) checkpoints in Algeria were very professional and there was never any question of baksheesh. They are located at the entrance/exit of every town and at every major road intersection. I would say it has nothing to do with raising cash from travellers and is all about maintaining security and controlling smuggling.
Before we arrived in Algeria, I was dubious about the guide requirement. Whatever the reasons, I was very happy to have one. Apart from being great company, he always led to the best places to camp.
As having a car tailing you through the country would obviously be very expensive, you could consider throwing the bike in the back and enjoying the ride in a beautiful country.
Finally, while we had no problems in Northern Niger, things have changed for the worse since April - you'll find details on this forum.
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