Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Regional Forums > North Africa
North Africa Topics specific to North Africa and the Sahara down to the 17th parallel (excludes Morocco)
Photo by Hendi Kaf, in Cambodia

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Hendi Kaf,
in Cambodia



Trans Sahara Routes.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 17 Oct 2002
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Coimbra, Portugal
Posts: 322
transportation from Dakar

hi

during my contacts to find transportation from Dakar to Portugal in containers one of the agents suggested me that it was not needed that the 4x4 were in containers.

some boats transport cars from dakar to portugal out of the containers. any comments about this kind of transportation? is it safe? it's much chepear...


best regards

------------------
bernardo feio lightweight
portugal
__________________
bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R80 G/S PD / Toyota HZJ 78
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 17 Oct 2002
GWJ GWJ is offline
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 281
They could be talking about a RORO approach where they carry vehicles, just driven on and off. Downside to this is vehicle is very vunerable. Most theft is dockside when vehicle is out of container. So if you go dockside, supervise the container loading - so vehicle is tied down properly, etc, and are present when the container is sealed, and again when its opened the other end, there is far less risk. With a RORO, you have to give them the keys - they drive the vehicle on and off the Ship. Either have to have absolutely nothing worth stealing in the vehicle or live with the risk. Is a lot cheaper option. Personally, I've shipped my 110 twice, once Sydney - UK, once Cape Town - UK and I used a container both times because the risk to me was to high. However if your prepared to take the risk then can save a lot of money.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 17 Oct 2002
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: France
Posts: 353
I don't know anything about relative costs, but it sounds like it's worth changing the locks on the back doors and installing one of those cargo retaining grills between front and back. Securely. It's pretty quick to strip the cab of anything nickable, then you only give the front key and ignition to the dockers. I don't know what customs would say about this approach, you'd still have to be there for arrival off the ship. It does leve the vehicle more vulnerable to anyone wanting to stick a little package underneath to recover after you've gone through customs.
Might have to roro my own vehicle someday, too big for a container.
Cheers
Luke
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 18 Oct 2002
GWJ GWJ is offline
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 281
Alternative for vehicle to big for container is flat pack - means you don't have to hand over the keys but still fairly vunerable. Problem with stripping cabin, etc is if you have lots of exped kit - can't carry loads of it on the flight, both times I shipped, way to much stuff, had to go in the vehicle.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 18 Oct 2002
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: France
Posts: 353
Hence the grill. In a pickup it's even easier, but it must be possible to chuck everything in the back and lock off the whole back end leaving only the cab accessible. That said, a determined sailor's got the whole voyage to figure out how to get in. Pb with flatpacking is that it's always the top container in the stack, leaving it very exposed to the sea. Advantage with flatpack is being the top container it's first off.
Some companies let you sail with the cargo, at least then you arrive at the same time as the boat.
Lots to ponder
Luke
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 25 Oct 2002
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Coimbra, Portugal
Posts: 322
thanks


any more coments?



------------------
best regards from Portugal
bernardo feio lightweight
__________________
bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R80 G/S PD / Toyota HZJ 78
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 25 Oct 2002
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Coimbra, Portugal
Posts: 322
thanks


any more coments?



------------------
best regards from Portugal
bernardo feio lightweight
__________________
bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R80 G/S PD / Toyota HZJ 78
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

25 years of HU Events
Be sure to join us for this huge milestone!

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

Virginia: April 24-27
Queensland is back! May 2-5
Ecuador June 13-15
Germany Summer: May 29-June 1
CanWest: July 10-13
Switzerland: Date TBC
Ecuador: Date TBC
Romania: Date TBC
Austria: Sept. 11-14
California: September 18-21
France: September 19-21
Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:19.