Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Regional Forums > Northern and Central Asia
Northern and Central Asia Topics specific to Russia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Mongolia, China, Japan and Korea
Photo by Hendi Kaf, in Cambodia

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Hendi Kaf,
in Cambodia



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 18 May 2018
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 7
2019 Siberia, Mongolia, Central Asia Family 4wd Trip

In just slightly under a year from now my young family will be unloading our modified Mitsubishi Shogun (aka Pajero or Montero) at the port of Vladivostok, on Russia's east coast, to embark on an overland journey across Siberia, Mongolia and Central Asia, Georgia, Turkey and all the way into Europe. We are not entirely new to overland travel, although this will be our biggest undertaking to date, and takes us slightly further out from our comfort zone in some respects. We've previously commenced overland travel from London, England, where I worked for 10 years and where two of my three children were born. Past trips (using the same vehicle) have included extensive on and off-road travels of Europe, Morocco and the Balkan countries. Presently we're living in my original home country of New Zealand and so this upcoming trip will involve shipping the Shogun (Pajero) from NZ to Russia.

A rough initial plan of our route (as far as Turkey) is shown here:



And here's our family expedition machine:



It's a fairly extensively modified 4th generation Mitsubishi Shogun/Pajero. These were known as Montero's in the USA, although the 4th generation versions were not sold in the USA (although have been very popular vehicles in many other countries around the globe and are still in production). It's had too much done to it to detail here, though the photo probably gives a fair indication of its build. It has an excellent factory traction control system, now complemented with a Harrop Eaton front E-locker among many other preparations. If anyone is interested in learning about the vehicle build and/or our previous overland adventures in it then see here: https://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum...ad.php?t=43395

The purpose of this post, my first ever on Horizons Unlimited, is just to introduce myself and my family's plans for a big overland trip next year. We'd love to hear from, and share ideas with, others currently making plans to undertake travel into the places we are heading next year. I'd also love to hear from others who are familiar with our planned route and have any tips/experience to share?

Right now I'm working on planning the stage from Vladivostok to Magadan - the 'Road of Bones'. One complication we have is that because we wish to commence this trip in May 2019 it will still be pretty cold that far north in Siberia. So I'm researching opportunities to find accommodation in towns/villages along the route (and also planning to build a portable diesel heater in case we get caught out and have to camp in the tent). I'm also currently focusing on availability and quality of diesel for this part of the route.

Has anyone here shipped a 4wd between Vladivostok and Magadan (either direction) and if so at what cost?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 20 May 2018
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Brunei
Posts: 949
Hi, welcome to the HUBB

I've driven Vladivostok - Magadan in September / October (and back to Yakutsk in January / February). Locals prefer to ship their cars, when the sea is ice-free, but you need to fly separately from the car. Unless you speak Russian you'll probably need help from someone to do this. My guess would be that it costs around $250 for the car. Flights in the East of Russia are not that cheap.

One thing to note: in May the Yakutsk - Magadan route may not work. There is no bridge over the Aldan River so between the ice road closing in mid April and the river being open to ferry navigation (which I think starts in mid May to early June depending on the winter) there is no way through.

You can find hotels for sure in Susuman, Ust Nera and Khandyga, and probably a few places in between. Not sure about diesel quality as I drive a petrol, but from Magadan to Ust Nera it's all from the Magadan supplier (which I found to be good quality). From Kyubeme to Yakutsk it comes from Yakutia which I found to be of variable quality, though the state supplier Yakutneftegaz had excellent quality petrol. Locals aren't that keen on diesels because of the extreme winters.

Let me know if you have any other questions on Russia / Mongolia / Central Asia.

EO
__________________
EurasiaOverland a memoir of one quarter of a million kilometres by road through all of the Former USSR, Western and Southern Asia.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 23 May 2018
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by eurasiaoverland View Post
Hi, welcome to the HUBB

I've driven Vladivostok - Magadan in September / October (and back to Yakutsk in January / February). Locals prefer to ship their cars, when the sea is ice-free, but you need to fly separately from the car. Unless you speak Russian you'll probably need help from someone to do this. My guess would be that it costs around $250 for the car. Flights in the East of Russia are not that cheap.

One thing to note: in May the Yakutsk - Magadan route may not work. There is no bridge over the Aldan River so between the ice road closing in mid April and the river being open to ferry navigation (which I think starts in mid May to early June depending on the winter) there is no way through.

You can find hotels for sure in Susuman, Ust Nera and Khandyga, and probably a few places in between. Not sure about diesel quality as I drive a petrol, but from Magadan to Ust Nera it's all from the Magadan supplier (which I found to be good quality). From Kyubeme to Yakutsk it comes from Yakutia which I found to be of variable quality, though the state supplier Yakutneftegaz had excellent quality petrol. Locals aren't that keen on diesels because of the extreme winters.

Let me know if you have any other questions on Russia / Mongolia / Central Asia.

EO
Thanks for this! This is very helpful. I have some further questions relating to the Magadan route at this stage.

My research had by now identified that our original plan to travel to, or from, Magadan via the Kolyma Highway in May wasn't really workable. Seems we would either have to wait for the boat/barge to resume operating on the Aldan river in June, or alternatively make this a winter trip, which I see you have experience of. Looks like it would be possible to do a winter trip as late as 2nd half of March, and we should benefit from slightly less cold conditions (-30 to -35?). Is it in some respects an easier drive in winter? (i.e. no worries about river crossings or muddy roads). But, on the other hand a car breakdown out there could prove fatal in those temps, as we travel solo in just one vehicle. When you made your winter trip did you go with just one vehicle or more? How much (frequency of) traffic can be expected on this route in the winter and how would you view the risks to taking a solo vehicle over this route in winter?

Alternatively, if we wait until the boat/barge resumes operation on the Aldan river in June what are the pitfalls of going at that time? I believe it may be a very wet time given spring rains, snow melt and the permafrost nature of the Kolyma Highway encouraging flooding? I'm not worried about mud, but are we likely to have to contend with any deep water crossings for which there is no boat/barge - more than what a 4wd can safely cope with?

Any rough idea on what a family (3 young children) should budget for accommodation each night along this route?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 27 May 2018
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Brunei
Posts: 949
Hi Kiwi

These days, in summer, the highway between Yakutsk (or rather Nizhny Bestyakh, on the right bank of the Lena) is not the great adventure that is once must have been. The highway is well levelled, widened and graded with good bridges; it's about as good as an unpaved highway can be. There are fairly regular fuel stations and a bit of traffic. There are no water crossings.

March would be perhaps the best time in the whole year to make the trip; you will see the road in winter, when I would say it is at it's most beautiful and will add an extra dimension to your trans-Russia trip. I think the temperature would be around -25 which should pose no problem for a well-maintained Japanese car, though make sure your battery, radiator hoses and engine belts are in good condition. You should bring warm clothes; the temperature is not so low (-25 when sunny and still is lovely), but if there is wind you can still easily get frostnip. There is plenty of traffic on the highway between Yakutsk and Ust-Nera and between Susuman and Magadan. Between Ust-Nera and Susuman there is less traffic, but it's by no means deserted. Driving in the warmer winter months (e.g. November, March) is safer than in summer as there is no dust; a contributing factor to many accidents.

I think RUB 1000 to 1500 per head is a rough price for accommodation in basic hotels there, though I have no idea whether they would charge the kids.

The one piece of kit which I valued most on my winter trip (after the car) was my Eberspacher cabin heater; I found that below -10 it helped keep the interior nice and warm (and the windows ice-free), and below -40 it stopped the interior getting too cold. A second windscreen stuck onto the windscreen meant I never had to de-ice or blow hot air onto the windscreen to keep it clear.

EO
__________________
EurasiaOverland a memoir of one quarter of a million kilometres by road through all of the Former USSR, Western and Southern Asia.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Asia Waypoints colebatch Northern and Central Asia 243 14 Sep 2021 10:37
UK - Siberia - Mongolia with children Drive For Peace 4 Wheels Travel Reports 4 3 Dec 2017 18:26
2015 - Heading east from Europe, add your itinerary / plans kim Travellers Seeking Travellers 190 5 Mar 2016 08:38
Advice needed in Mongolia: Transalp output shaft/ sprocket/ retainer problem, Urgent chris Honda Tech 19 20 Mar 2015 20:37
Central Asia - Mongolia - Siberia colebatch 4 wheel Overland Travel 5 20 Apr 2012 11:04

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

25 years of HU Events
Be sure to join us for this huge milestone!

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

Virginia: April 24-27 2025
Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
CanWest: July 10-13 2025
Switzerland: Date TBC
Ecuador: Date TBC
Romania: Date TBC
Austria: Sept. 11-14
California: September 18-21
France: September 19-21 2025
Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:00.