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Old 27 Jan 2011
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I have gotten answer on my question.

A few years after two Norwegian guys tried to ride along the world following the polar-circle (1991/2?) there was an article about BAM in an English or German magazine. This must have been around the same time when Helge P and some other Norwegians planned an extensive trip to Russia - maybe he read the article. As I mentioned earlier a lot of people went to Russia after it opened up.
It looks like "something never ridden by motorbike" is reduced to " had any recollection of any other foreign motorcyclists on that road ...."

When I drove lake Chad-route I was told by numerous locals, including the people at border and villages, that I was the first biker that drove the entire route. Off course this was bullshit.

Anyway, hopefully it was a nice trip and personally I don't care who was the first (or fastest or whatever).

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So unless you think all the people I asked en-route had selective memory loss, and in the absence of you or anyone else coming up with more than hollow disparaging words (they seem to be the only words you know) and introducing me to someone I can share a with and discuss what it was like motorcycling the western half and the eastern half of the BAM road while sharing fotos of it, then I think I will stick with my wording thanks.
I think that if someone says they are the first to do anything they should be able to prove it, that's all. If that's "hollow disparaging words" I'm sorry to have bothered you.
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..... Helge P and some other Norwegians planned an extensive trip to Russia - maybe he read the article. ....



I think that if someone says they are the first to do anything they should be able to prove it, that's all. If that's "hollow disparaging words" I'm sorry to have bothered you.
Hi Alibaba

IMHO when somebody (you) claims that somebody else (Walter and Tony) wasn't the first to do something they (you) should be able to give the names of at least one person who went before them. In your reply you mention some random Norwegians who might have written something in a magazine somewhere and Helge Pedersen who was planning a trip to that area. Did Helge ride the full BAM?

If I were travelling down a road and had spoken (I know that Walter and Tony have a very good grasp of the Russian language) to people who hadn't seen a western bike before and had lived there all their lives, then without evidence to the contrary, I would be able to make the claim to be the first.

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Did Helge ride the full BAM?
I dragged out my copy of 10 on 2, and his 1996 trip covered in the book did not cover the full BAM. Looks like just Tynda to Ust-Kut.
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In your reply you mention some random Norwegians who might have written something in a magazine somewhere and Helge Pedersen who was planning a trip to that area. Did Helge ride the full BAM?
From Colebatch's BAM thread on ADV a year ago -
"The only other foreigners that I KNOW have ridden the western part of the BAM Road (Bratsk - Tynda) are Helge Pedersen back in about 1995 and Eric & Gail Haws back in 1991 when it was still the Soviet Union (I have invited those guys to join the facebook group). Certainly the road then would have had 15-20 years less deterioration than it has now."

The western part!

What about the eastern part? Only the 2 Poles, Robert.
But I want to hear of others and meet them to share experiences and recollections.

I suppose anyone riding the M56 north/south through Tynda to Yakuysk can claim to have ridden the BAM road - simply because they went across it at right angles!
But can they claim that to be a serious attempt to ride the entire 4,300km from end to end?
Alibaba seems to think so.

Colebatch will no doubt respond to him.
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