 26Likes
 |
|
13 Aug 2011
|
 |
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London / Moscow
Posts: 1,913
|
|
IDF ... you are talking about a different document
What CIS countries call a vehicle passport or "TechPassport" is the registration docs of the vehicle. A V5, or Carte Gris or ICMV ... Its your standard registration document from your country of origin.
The customs form is a slip of paper you get at the border of Kazakhstan Russia or Belarus to the single customs zone of those 3 countries, which allows you to temporarily import your vehicle, without paying duty. It is issued at the border as is a bar code that is put on the paper, and an expiry date.
In your case, you need to have received that piece of paper, with a stuck on bar code, at the KG-KZ border when you entered Kazakhstan.
Doug's point, is that its too late at the Russian border. They will not issue the paper at the Russian border when you enter from Kazakhstan. You had to get it when you entered the customs zone. Which was when you crossed from KG to KZ.
Quote:
Originally Posted by idf000
Hi,
I entered Kyrgyzstan on 19th July 2011 at Torugart and I received no paperwork other than a stamp in my passport.
I crossed from KGZ-KAZ at Korday on the 9th August where I was asked repeatedly about a "vehicle passport" by both sides and just shrugged. They let me through.
I returned to KGZ on the 11th August (a successful repair at MyMotoTown) where I was asked for my "vehicle passport" by the KAZ people who eventually gave up but this time the KRG people went through the motions and gave me some form in Cyrillic (eventually filled out by them as I didn't have a clue) which I mustn't lose and/or must give to someone in Osh (where I am now).
The point being that the KAZ people were keen on some "vehicle passport" but eventually gave up on me both inward and outward.
I shall pay more attention in future as I have to go through KAZ to get to RU in a few weeks time.
Cheers,
Ian
|
|
13 Aug 2011
|
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 90
|
|
|
This caused us major problems when we tried to enter Russia from Kazakhstan a few months ago. We weren't given the cutoms form when we entered Krygystan, and were consequently held up at the Russian border for 14 hours! They wouldn't let us through without it. It was a nightmare. Eventually after lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the borders, we managed to get the Kaz customs to get a form faxed through from Kyrgh which we then filled in and were eventually permitted to enter Russia - by this time it was about 2am and we were knackered and well frustrated.
So make sure you ask for a customs form in when entering Kyrgh. It will make life a whole lot easier.
|
14 Aug 2011
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London / Moscow
Posts: 1,913
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by kateandwill
This caused us major problems when we tried to enter Russia from Kazakhstan a few months ago. We weren't given the cutoms form when we entered Krygystan, and were consequently held up at the Russian border for 14 hours! They wouldn't let us through without it. It was a nightmare. Eventually after lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the borders, we managed to get the Kaz customs to get a form faxed through from Kyrgh which we then filled in and were eventually permitted to enter Russia - by this time it was about 2am and we were knackered and well frustrated.
So make sure you ask for a customs form in when entering Kyrgh. It will make life a whole lot easier.
|
Just to clarify this guys, its nothing to do with Kyrgyzstan ... you get it when you enter KAZAKHSTAN ... from Kyrgyzstan. The Kazakh customs guys should give it to you on entry to Kazakhstan.
Kyrgyzstan is not part of the customs union
|
15 Aug 2011
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 277
|
|
|
Thanks for these informations!
so this problem can happen as well when entering Kazakhstan from Ouzbekistan, I'll go in Beyneu?
|
15 Aug 2011
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London / Moscow
Posts: 1,913
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zimi
Thanks for these informations!
so this problem can happen as well when entering Kazakhstan from Ouzbekistan, I'll go in Beyneu?
|
Maybe yes ... just make sure you get the customs import form on the Kazakh side of the border before you ride off
|
17 Aug 2011
|
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Hamburg
Posts: 81
|
|
|
Thanks
Hi,
When we entered fron Kirgistan to Kasachstan (Bishkek to Almaty) we did not get the requiered form for the bike automaticly. Having the info from Doug we had to ask several times for the form. It seams to me, that most of the bordestaff there just do not know about this form. Finaly we get the form in a little bureau witch is in the main buildung behind the pasport Control for the pedestrains down a little stair.
Entering Russia nowbody asked for this Form, but when I left to Mongolia they asked for it, and I was happy to have it.
Thanks Doug for the Information.
Greetings Heiko
|
18 Aug 2011
|
|
Contributing Member
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: wirral
Posts: 94
|
|
|
custom form
hi crossed from kazakhstan to uzbekistan in june and got the form and bar code sticker automaticaly , crossed form bishkek to almaty in july went down the stairs to the little customs office (forgot all about this form ) filled in normal customs decleration form and put the bike in the space for your vehicle ,,,, exit russia to latvia NO PROBLEMS (mind you the did have a load of yanks to play with)
zebb
|
13 Aug 2012
|
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 63
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by colebatch
Just to clarify this guys, its nothing to do with Kyrgyzstan ... you get it when you enter KAZAKHSTAN ... from Kyrgyzstan. The Kazakh customs guys should give it to you on entry to Kazakhstan.
Kyrgyzstan is not part of the customs union
|
Happened to me exactly as Doug described two day ago.
|
14 Aug 2012
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Jyvaskyla
Posts: 135
|
|
|
What happened to me few weeks ago in Kazakstan-Uzbekistan border near Caspian Sea was i was filling Custom declaration form for my bike in custom in Kazakstan side I was told by custom officials that i need to have xerox copy of passport.
I started to question (in Russian language) where i am supposed to get it now so they said that you can get it from next window/Slot in desk (where they had copymachine put next to window) but it costs money.
I started to yell in russian that why i need to buy copy as i have been several times in Russia and Kazakstan and nowhere else i have had to buy copy of passport.
Custom officals looked like very pissed, took my passport without saying anything, took passport copy and and tosses papers and passport back to me.
Obiously they were just trying to rip from "rich and stupid" tourists some extra income because no other border i have had to pay from copy of passport and i have used i 4 different ones so far in Kazakstan and that was only one where they asked money from passport copy.
|
23 Aug 2012
|
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Stuttgart, Germany
Posts: 26
|
|
|
made it to UB crossing at the border south of Ulan-Ude into Mongolia without the customs declaration. That nice young asian-looking lady is still there and was somewhat helpful. However there was also a putin-look-a-like blond haired guy who wanted to be bribed - we tried to avoid him though. As long as you deal with the lady you will be fine. She knows very well about the problem since many people coming from kazakhstan don't get a declaration.
We didn't have to write a report but had to fill out another declaration on exit.
|
29 Aug 2012
|
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Bristol, UK
Posts: 43
|
|
|
Same thing for me. I read this thread before going but completely forgot to insist on a form when entering Kazakhstan from Kyrgyzstan. I exited Russia at Tashanta and when asked for the form assumed I had lost it. Customs bloke just looked unimpressed, got me to fill out the normal customs exit form and let me go. No letters/bribing/waiting. Of course there is a chance that he assumed I was part of the rowdy drunken orgy known as the Mongol rally that happened to be there at the same time and he just wanted me to leave as quick as possible.
|
29 Aug 2012
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 1,377
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tirpse
I started to yell in russian that why i need to buy copy as i have been several times in Russia and Kazakstan and nowhere else i have had to buy copy of passport.
Custom officals looked like very pissed, took my passport without saying anything, took passport copy and and tosses papers and passport back to me.
Obiously they were just trying to rip from "rich and stupid" tourists some extra income because no other border i have had to pay from copy of passport and i have used i 4 different ones so far in Kazakstan and that was only one where they asked money from passport copy.
|
Some tourists are rich and stupid, and other are just obnoxious and unpleasant.
Maybe it didn't occur to you that there might be no budget for advanced technology like copy machines at every border crossing, and that this outpost might have bought/leased this copy machine as a convenience for travellers (so they didn't have to ride back to the next town for copies), but still have to pay for the thing. Or maybe they wanted a little  money, who cares? You don't say how much they asked for copies but make it sound like they were asking for $50 or something.
I personally am generally very pleased when I get to some govt office that requires copies and they will make them for some nominal fee. Saves me a lot of trouble, and it doesn't bother me at all if it costs me some nominal sum.
|
30 Aug 2012
|
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Nieder-Olm, Germany
Posts: 144
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by motoreiter
Maybe it didn't occur to you that there might be no budget for advanced technology like copy machines at every border crossing, and that this outpost might have bought/leased this copy machine as a convenience for travellers (so they didn't have to ride back to the next town for copies), but still have to pay for the thing. Or maybe they wanted a little money, who cares? You don't say how much they asked for copies but make it sound like they were asking for $50 or something.
I personally am generally very pleased when I get to some govt office that requires copies and they will make them for some nominal fee. Saves me a lot of trouble, and it doesn't bother me at all if it costs me some nominal sum. |
+1.  This ain´t bribery.
Cheers
Chris
|
31 Aug 2012
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Jyvaskyla
Posts: 135
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by motoreiter
Some tourists are rich and stupid, and other are just obnoxious and unpleasant.
Maybe it didn't occur to you that there might be no budget for advanced technology like copy machines at every border crossing, and that this outpost might have bought/leased this copy machine as a convenience for travellers (so they didn't have to ride back to the next town for copies), but still have to pay for the thing. Or maybe they wanted a little money, who cares? You don't say how much they asked for copies but make it sound like they were asking for $50 or something.
I personally am generally very pleased when I get to some govt office that requires copies and they will make them for some nominal fee. Saves me a lot of trouble, and it doesn't bother me at all if it costs me some nominal sum. |
I am very unpleasant and obnoxious to pay any money which goes into pocket of goverment officials, policemen or support any other illegal money gathering. Any person doing it fails to realise it encourages such an action and all travellers are seen as walking payday, source of extra income and demands of payment tend to raise every time.
|
23 Aug 2011
|
|
Gold Member
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 58
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by colebatch
IDF ... you are talking about a different document
What CIS countries call a vehicle passport or "TechPassport" is the registration docs of the vehicle. A V5, or Carte Gris or ICMV ... Its your standard registration document from your country of origin.
The customs form is a slip of paper you get at the border of Kazakhstan Russia or Belarus to the single customs zone of those 3 countries, which allows you to temporarily import your vehicle, without paying duty. It is issued at the border as is a bar code that is put on the paper, and an expiry date.
|
Fair dos. Thank you for the heads up.
I've had some sort of document entering (somewhere) and Tajikistan which costs US$10 and you get a tear off portion of an A5 slip. I've been told not to lose them but no-one asks for them.
This bar-coded thing needs some more attention, then, as I'll be entering KZ from UZ in a few days.
Cheers,
Ian
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...
2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.
"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)
Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.
Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes.
(ONLY US RESIDENTS and currently has a limit of 60 days.)
Ripcord Evacuation Insurance is available for ALL nationalities.
What others say about HU...
"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia
"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK
"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia
"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA
"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada
"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa
"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia
"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany
Lots more comments here!
Every book a diary
Every chapter a day
Every day a journey
Refreshingly honest and compelling tales: the hights and lows of a life on the road. Solo, unsupported, budget journeys of discovery.
Authentic, engaging and evocative travel memoirs, overland, around the world and through life.
All 8 books available from the author or as eBooks and audio books
Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!
New to Horizons Unlimited?
New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!
Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.
Read more about Grant & Susan's story
Membership - help keep us going!
Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.
You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.
|
|
|
helps answer the question - Why Go? Inspirational stories by veteran travellers Greg Frazier (5 times RTW), Peter and Kay Forwood (193 countries), Tiffany Coates (Mongolia Mayhem) and Rene Cormier (University of Gravel Roads).
Get Ready! covers planning, paperwork, medical and many other topics! "Inspirational and Awesome!" See the trailer here!
What stuff do I need - riding gear, clothing, camping gear, first aid kit, tires, maps and GPS? What don't I need? How do I pack it all in? Lots of opinions from over 150 travellers!
break down language barriers, overcome culture shock, ship the bike and deal with breakdowns and emergencies."Just makes me want to pack up and go!" See the trailer here!
Grant demystifies the black art of Tire Changing and Repair to help you STAY on the road! "Very informative and practical." See the trailer here!
Ladies on the Loose! For the first time ever, a motorcycle travel DVD made for women, by women! These intrepid women share their tips to help you plan your own motorcycle adventure. They also answer the women-only questions, and entertain you with amazing tales from the road! Presented by Lois Pryce, veteran solo traveller through South America and Africa and author of 'Lois on the Loose', and 'Red Tape and White Knuckles.'
Cotton or synth sweat-wicking t-shirts with the cool Horizons Unlimited graphic on the front and a snappy slogan (changing every year) on the back.
Show your route on your panniers. Great conversation starter when you meet people on the road!
Motorcycle and travel books to inspire and inform you!
The definitive guide to planning your motorcycle adventure! This insanely ambitious 2-year project has produced an informative and entertaining 5-part, 18 hour video series. "The ultimate round the world rider's how-to!" MCN UK.
Hybrid Mode
