Just to clarify this guys, its nothing to do with Kyrgyzstan ... you get it when you enter KAZAKHSTAN ... from Kyrgyzstan. The Kazakh customs guys should give it to you on entry to Kazakhstan.

Kyrgyzstan is not part of the customs union

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Thanks for these informations!

so this problem can happen as well when entering Kazakhstan from Ouzbekistan, I'll go in Beyneu?

Maybe yes ... just make sure you get the customs import form on the Kazakh side of the border before you ride off

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Hi,

When we entered fron Kirgistan to Kasachstan (Bishkek to Almaty) we did not get the requiered form for the bike automaticly. Having the info from Doug we had to ask several times for the form. It seams to me, that most of the bordestaff there just do not know about this form. Finaly we get the form in a little bureau witch is in the main buildung behind the pasport Control for the pedestrains down a little stair.

Entering Russia nowbody asked for this Form, but when I left to Mongolia they asked for it, and I was happy to have it.

Thanks Doug for the Information.

Greetings Heiko

hi crossed from kazakhstan to uzbekistan in june and got the form and bar code sticker automaticaly , crossed form bishkek to almaty in july went down the stairs to the little customs office (forgot all about this form ) filled in normal customs decleration form and put the bike in the space for your vehicle ,,,, exit russia to latvia NO PROBLEMS (mind you the did have a load of yanks to play with)

zebb

I entered Kazakhstan from Uzbekistan in the Beyneu border, the automatically gave me a custom form, but not one with sticker bar code.

Happened to me exactly as Doug described two day ago.

What happened to me few weeks ago in Kazakstan-Uzbekistan border near Caspian Sea was i was filling Custom declaration form for my bike in custom in Kazakstan side I was told by custom officials that i need to have xerox copy of passport.

I started to question (in Russian language) where i am supposed to get it now so they said that you can get it from next window/Slot in desk (where they had copymachine put next to window) but it costs money.

I started to yell in russian that why i need to buy copy as i have been several times in Russia and Kazakstan and nowhere else i have had to buy copy of passport.

Custom officals looked like very pissed, took my passport without saying anything, took passport copy and and tosses papers and passport back to me.

Obiously they were just trying to rip from "rich and stupid" tourists some extra income because no other border i have had to pay from copy of passport and i have used i 4 different ones so far in Kazakstan and that was only one where they asked money from passport copy.

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made it to UB crossing at the border south of Ulan-Ude into Mongolia without the customs declaration. That nice young asian-looking lady is still there and was somewhat helpful. However there was also a putin-look-a-like blond haired guy who wanted to be bribed - we tried to avoid him though. As long as you deal with the lady you will be fine. She knows very well about the problem since many people coming from kazakhstan don't get a declaration.

We didn't have to write a report but had to fill out another declaration on exit.

Same thing for me. I read this thread before going but completely forgot to insist on a form when entering Kazakhstan from Kyrgyzstan. I exited Russia at Tashanta and when asked for the form assumed I had lost it. Customs bloke just looked unimpressed, got me to fill out the normal customs exit form and let me go. No letters/bribing/waiting. Of course there is a chance that he assumed I was part of the rowdy drunken orgy known as the Mongol rally that happened to be there at the same time and he just wanted me to leave as quick as possible.

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Some tourists are rich and stupid, and other are just obnoxious and unpleasant.

Maybe it didn't occur to you that there might be no budget for advanced technology like copy machines at every border crossing, and that this outpost might have bought/leased this copy machine as a convenience for travellers (so they didn't have to ride back to the next town for copies), but still have to pay for the thing. Or maybe they wanted a little money, who cares? You don't say how much they asked for copies but make it sound like they were asking for $50 or something.

I personally am generally very pleased when I get to some govt office that requires copies and they will make them for some nominal fee. Saves me a lot of trouble, and it doesn't bother me at all if it costs me some nominal sum.

+1. This ain´t bribery.

Cheers
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I am very unpleasant and obnoxious to pay any money which goes into pocket of goverment officials, policemen or support any other illegal money gathering. Any person doing it fails to realise it encourages such an action and all travellers are seen as walking payday, source of extra income and demands of payment tend to raise every time.

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Why do you think it was illegal for them to ask for compensation for copies? :confused1:

Do you think that they are required by law to provide copies to travellers? I find that extemely doubtful. I have been to plenty of govt offices that require copies but that could not be bothered to get a copy machine, so they send you across the street, across town, to the next town, etc. to get your copies. Very very inconvenient.

Are you sure that the Kazak govt paid for the copier?
Or maybe the money that they asked you for went into their post's budget?
If so, maybe it paid for the copier for their internal use and they make it available to travellers as a convenience?
Or maybe they lease it, since there are probably not many copy machines in the area?
Or maybe you expect them to pay out of their own pockets for the paper, maintenance costs, etc.?

And you were yelling at the Kazakhs because the Russians gave you free copies? Last time I checked they were different countries and I don't know why you would expect practices in Russia to also exist in Kazakstan.

Do you really have the slightest clue why they asked for money for the copies, or that their request was not wholly legitimate? I'll answer for you--no, you don't.

Gee I wonder why they got mad when you started yelling at them??

Motoreiter: Provide me link to page or reference to text which says people entering to Kazakstan has to provide custom photocopy of first page of passport when arriving!

Have you ever been in border between Uzbekistan and Kazakstan?

I think you havent been so i can tell you that that photocopy machine was least expensive item in that new custom building and by judging how building looked liked i can assure you material nor machine was rented or leased by the custom people.

Funniest thing was that after I demanded explanation why i have to pay from copy as never i have elsewhere had to do it, they took copies without saying anything and tossed papers back to me, including photocopy they took. I asked that isnt this what you wanted and handed it back and they mumbled something i did not hear.

If you wish to continue this Motoreiter i am happy to do it in private messages but i have no need or wish to argue with you as your attidude has been in several messages not only aggressive but also insulting.

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