Hi,

was planning a mongolia trip, then africa, now back to mongolia, things are still up the air, it'll be the last big trip we do so still working out the one to go for.

just wondering can you leave/donate/abandon a car in russia/mongilia or nearby country, we will be driving a 1997 landcruiser prado and have come via turkey, iran and the stans so will have a carnet,

trying to maximise the time we have, by not having to double back and fly out would allow us to spend more time elsewhere.

thanks for all your help.

Hi k974,

after riding from Germany to Mongolia this summer we left them in Mongolia. We sold them to 2 expats. We were asked no questions on our way out.
The expats did some paperwork to register the bikes but that was after we left the country.
5 years ago I left Mongolia for China and I left my bike in Mongolia (but picked it up afterwards). That time no one asked questions at the border either. It seems to me its no problem to abandon a vehicle in Mongolia.

Russia is a different matter however. They seem to be pretty exact and serious with their paperwork. I wouldn't try there. A friend of us DID leave Russia with his bike but the Russians thought for some reasons he didn't. He got multiple letters sent to his home (Switzerland) where they tried to fine him.

What I don't know how this work with your carnet.

Cheers Patrick

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You have to sort out some paperwork on donating the car to a charity otherwise you'll have to pay excise tax on the border.

It is perfectly permissable to exit RUS, leaving your vehicle behind in RUS.
E.G. Right now I am now sitting on Gran Canaria, offshore Spain, having spent a week in London en-route and all this time my UK registered car is gathering snow in Moscow.

However this can only be temporary.

The difficulty comes when your vehicle exceeds it's Customs Permit time limit. They have your Passport details and the name and address taken from the Registration Document produced on entry. They could persue you, albeit fairly ineffectively until you try to re-enter RUS. Their nation wide computor systems are highly effecient. On re-entering RUS you could expect a far more pro-active approach!

RUS Customs will accept a vehicle as being stolen or written off in an accident subject to you providing valid Road Police reports etc.

Otherwise go to the Customs office with the person you are giving it to and make sure they clear you of potential duty liability and transfer any liability to the recipient.

For reference - your vehicle will normally be given 3 months Customs Permit on entry. This can be extended at local Customs Offices by up to a further 9 months to give a full year, or such shorter period for which you have rights to be there (Visa, Permit, etc).

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Hi Tony,

do you have an idea on how to process in case of loss of papers?

I just lost all my documents, including the bike papers and the papers I got at the border when I entered Russia.

I need to prolongate the temporary import and come back next year... As well, do you have a idea about the amount of the fine if the maximal duration is exceeded?

As I have no document for the bike it is difficult to prolongate them...

As i figured out with some friends at the russian border, it ist not the bib problem if you lost your temporary import. it is in the computer and they find it and solve it.

And the thing with the documents:
Do you think you can get duplicates from Switzerland and have them sent to you with eps are something similar?

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Hi Klaus, thanks for your reply. Yes I could, but as I lost my passport, I can't enter Mongolia without visa, so it doesn't help.

I will check if I can find a custom office in Yakutsk to try to sort this out.

Hi you could donate the car to me in Mongolia and i will drive it back. Thats a win win. We can arange everything else on PN :-)

Passport German, bike Sweden, business visa 6 month, multiple entry.

I exited Russia on Saturday. While at the border, I asked the customs guy about the TIP. He confirmed that it is one year at the border, nationality and visa type do not matter. And as in the past, it can be renewed by leaving Russia for a day (or an hour) and coming back in.

All-in-all, this is a great development for moto travellers--now all you need to do is find a place to store your bike for the winter!