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UK to Mongolia and back on £4000 Is it possible ?
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I’m trying to figure out a budget for a six month trip. 2 months in Africa riding from the UK to Dakar and back, looks like £2000 or £2500 will do that. However the second leg is 4 month round trip from the UK to Mongolia and back. Is it possible to do that on £4000?


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Hi Shaun,
I posted on the Morocco question; I think the same applies here. £35 a day at today’s prices should be fine. I went to far eastern Russian and back and found it cheap to travel. You are going to need a double entry visa for Russia and if you go through an agency expect to pay around £150. Health insurance is worth considering aprox £150.

I took euros and had no problem changing them at banks. There is a 500 Euro note which is handy for large amounts.

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I took euros and had no problem changing them at banks. There is a 500 Euro note which is handy for large amounts.
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A Belgian I was riding with in Africa had a wad of 500 euro notes, two reasons come to mind as to why these are a bad idea

Try losing 1 of them at about £300 per note!!
and 2nd, as he found. How many people/places are prepared to accept them? The UK's £50 note is enough of a problem.
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A Belgian I was riding with in Africa had a wad of 500 euro notes, two reasons come to mind as to why these are a bad idea

Try losing 1 of them at about £300 per note!!
and 2nd, as he found. How many people/places are prepared to accept them? The UK's £50 note is enough of a problem.
Dave,
Those are considerations;

The exchange issue never arose. I had around 12 notes, 6000 Euro. Only changed them one at a time, backed up the note with my passport when asked, and not once had any trouble. The most caution to a note was taken in a bank in Northern Ireland.

Regarding safety, well that depends on the individual.

What is your alternative?

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Usually nothing bigger than $50 or €50, spread in different places about my person or hidden on the bike, I realise the problem if you need to carry a large amount of cash, but it's bad enough if you lost €50,...thats nearly a day's budget, but €500, nearly a weeks budget!!!
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Securing 12 notes is a lot less of a problem than 120 notes.

Maybe we should get back on topic, sorry Shaun.

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You are going to need a double entry visa
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Thanks for both postings, How does that work mate? are russian Ukraine and Kazakhstan visas the same ? I was thinking about multiple entry visas? Or have I missed the point?

also £35 or $60 seems a lot for this run seeing most of it is just camping and gas for the bike in places like Mongolia

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Steve,

You don't need a visa for the Ukraine. You can stay 90 days from the date of arrival. However, Russia and Kazakhstan are different.

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Thanks for both postings, How does that work mate? are russian Ukraine and Kazakhstan visas the same ? I was thinking about multiple entry visas? Or have I missed the point?

also £35 or $60 seems a lot for this run seeing most of it is just camping and gas for the bike in places like Mongolia

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Quick reply riderbob thanks

On my GPS software it looks like you go through a little bit of Russia from Kazakhstan into Mongolia, but on my big world wall map it looks like you don’t?

Ukraine through Russia to get into Kazakhstan = 1 entry 1 exit
Kazakhstan through Russia to get into Mongolia = 1 entry 1 exit
Mongolia back through Russia to get back into Kazakhstan = 1 entry 1 exit
Kazakhstan back through Russia to get back into the Ukraine = 1 entry 1 exit

Or have I missed the point?

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Your intinerary is correct. From Russia to Mongolia is much easier that going through China. I'm not up to date on China but I assume it is still difficult to get visas.

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On my GPS software it looks like you go through a little bit of Russia from Kazakhstan into Mongolia, but on my big world wall map it looks like you don’t?

Ukraine through Russia to get into Kazakhstan = 1 entry 1 exit
Kazakhstan through Russia to get into Mongolia = 1 entry 1 exit
Mongolia back through Russia to get back into Kazakhstan = 1 entry 1 exit
Kazakhstan back through Russia to get back into the Ukraine = 1 entry 1 exit

Or have I missed the point?

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Thanks for both postings, How does that work mate? are russian Ukraine and Kazakhstan visas the same ? I was thinking about multiple entry visas? Or have I missed the point?Shaun
Hi Shaun,
I assumed too much from your first post, you will need a multiple entry visa for this route. No Visa required for Ukraine at this time. Allow for visa costs and time to get them.

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also £35 or $60 seems a lot for this run seeing most of it is just camping and gas for the bike in places like Mongolia
Shaun
Feels like you’re trying to negotiate with me
You are going to be covering big miles on this trip; the total fuel costs are going to be high. But I found lots of free camping in Russia and cheap to eat in the road side cafes.
You could do it for less, depends on what luxuries you like. I am just saying the budget looks reasonable.

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Quick question - if you're doing UK to Far East how do you intend to get your bike home? Can you ship home from Vlad or Magadan or would you still be aiming for Japan/Korea as the final destination?


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Quick question - if you're doing UK to Far East how do you intend to get your bike home? Can you ship home from Vlad or Magadan or would you still be aiming for Japan/Korea as the final destination?


Just back from a trip but there's no way I'm going to let the grass grow under my feet!
I intend to save the cost of shipping and just ride to Mongolia and back ! well, that’s the plan
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Feels like you’re trying to negotiate with me
Hi Steve

No mate, not trying to negotiate with you

Was just surprised when you said this amount after the budget section of this site says

"First-tier" countries such as northern Europe, US$60-80 a day and up per person.

and

"Fourth-tier" countries, parts of Africa and Asia, can be done for less, many for less than US$20 day, especially in Asia. But, yes your right fuel is a BIG factor..

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Hi all. If I can jump in here - just what are the recent fuel prices in Russia? I believe it went up some months ago and my reckonings say it's now about 0.35p (GBP) a litre. I'm driving a car across later this year from the UK - not in a rally by the way, just yours truly taking the 'longest road' from St Petersburg to Vladivostok. Plan to then sell the car and get a boat to Japan. Not sure if I'm allowed to do that(?)
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