Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Bicycles > Overland Bicycle Travel
Overland Bicycle Travel Overlanding questions for two wheels, no motor!
Photo by Hendi Kaf, in Cambodia

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Hendi Kaf,
in Cambodia



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 31 Aug 2010
Vaufi's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Munich, the beer capital
Posts: 1,060
Kashmir & Ladakh

Anybody been out there lately? I reckon the Kargil - Leh - Manali part should be safe. But who has recent information about the Srinagar - Kargil stretch?
__________________
Only when we pause to wonder
do we go beyond the limits of our little lives.
(Rod McKuen)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 1 Sep 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: London
Posts: 621
We drove Leh-Kargil-Srinagar in Nov 2007. Can't add much apart from making sure to check on the traffic times going over Zoji-La. It's controlled by the Indian Army and is open going 1 way for 12 hours, then the other for the other 12. If you get there at the wrong time, you'll have a long wait!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 2 Sep 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Worthington Mn USA
Posts: 185
Leh

Well we just flew out of Leh on the 31st. of Aug. so I guess that is pretty fresh. We rented in Manali and then drove the Spiti valley from Manali in a counter clockwise direction to Kullu, Recong Peo, Nako, Puh, Tabo, Kaza, Keylong, and then up to Leh. The road is still not open so you have to do a diversion and head east and come in a different way. The roads are passable but they are working on spots like always. Leh is still without electricity so places are running generators most of the time for only a couple hours a day. Most of the hotels and guest houses are closed as there is no one there. It is very sad as when the tourist do not come and they need the money. There is plenty of destruction and people working on still finding the missing. No one will ever know the number of dead or missing from all of this. It is a beautiful area to visit and ride motorcycle. We did Khardung La pass and that road is fine. People are recovering but it will take years for it to recover.
__________________
Larry Davis
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 2 Sep 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: London
Posts: 621
Thinking about this some more, if you are on bicycles you probably need to plan carefully when you go over Zoji-La. You don't want to find yourselves getting run off the (VERY narrow) road by crazed truck drivers and plummeting thousands of feet to your deaths. Suggest you make yourselves the last to go over before the pass is closed for traffic going in your direction.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 2 Sep 2010
Vaufi's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Munich, the beer capital
Posts: 1,060
Thx for the infos. Since travelling by pushbike is at fairly low speeds (except when going downhill ) it is quite easy to go for cover if a ruck comes along.
__________________
Only when we pause to wonder
do we go beyond the limits of our little lives.
(Rod McKuen)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 3 Sep 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Worthington Mn USA
Posts: 185
Leh

Well when we were traveling we met up with a family from that was Mother, Father, girl that was 13 and then pulling a small trailer with a 2 yr old in it. We ended up staying where they did for 3 different nights and they were doing fine. I would not worry about the trucks as they seem to give motorcycles and bicycles plenty of room. We met several other groups of people on bikes as well and they were all enjoying every minute of it. My hats off to anyone that can ride on that crap with a bicycle.
__________________
Larry Davis
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 4 Sep 2010
beddhist's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Whangarei, NZ
Posts: 2,214
Question

Larry,

When I travelled Leh to the bottom of the Rohtang Pass via Baralacha La I was under the impression that this is the only road into Ladakh. Is there another road? Can you show us where it is or, better still, do you have a GPS track?
__________________
Cheers,
Peter.

Europe to NZ 2006-10
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 4 Sep 2010
Vaufi's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Munich, the beer capital
Posts: 1,060
Hi peter,

still on the road I presume. Hope, all is going well!

Next to Manali, Leh can also be reached from the west via Srinagar (Kashmir & Jammu). From this direction the first significant pass is the Zoji La (3,500m). The town of Kargil is the border between the two provinces as well as the tibetan and the muslim culture.

For cyclists I can imagine this approach might be easier, because it should be easier to get used to higher altitude.

Hans
__________________
Only when we pause to wonder
do we go beyond the limits of our little lives.
(Rod McKuen)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 5 Sep 2010
beddhist's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Whangarei, NZ
Posts: 2,214
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaufi View Post
Hi peter,

still on the road I presume. Hope, all is going well!
I'm afraid not. We finished travelling in Autumn here in NZ and are trying to put down roots. Unsuccessfully, so far.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaufi View Post
Next to Manali, Leh can also be reached from the west via Srinagar (Kashmir & Jammu).
I know, I did that route in 2006. However, Larry indicates there is a third route:

Quote:
Originally Posted by ssa2 View Post
We rented in Manali and then drove the Spiti valley from Manali in a counter clockwise direction to Kullu, Recong Peo, Nako, Puh, Tabo, Kaza, Keylong, and then up to Leh. The road is still not open so you have to do a diversion and head east and come in a different way.
I'm interested which way Larry went, as it seems he went from Keylong to Leh, not over the Baralacha-La.
__________________
Cheers,
Peter.

Europe to NZ 2006-10
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 5 Sep 2010
Vaufi's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Munich, the beer capital
Posts: 1,060
The way Larry went, it seems, was not from Manali over the Rohtang pass. but in a south-easterly direction, taking the NH22 right around the Great Himalayan National Park via Spiti. Just north of the Rohtang pass this route connects up to the road going to Keylong and eventually to Leh.

Anyway, good luck in NZ!
__________________
Only when we pause to wonder
do we go beyond the limits of our little lives.
(Rod McKuen)
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 5 Sep 2010
beddhist's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Whangarei, NZ
Posts: 2,214
Thanks Hans!

So, the way you read is that the road over the Rohtang Pass is closed and he went through Spiti. He seemed to say that you arrived in Leh coming from E, but I guess that's just my interpretation. I know the road, did it in reverse coming out of Ladakh. It was a great journey.
__________________
Cheers,
Peter.

Europe to NZ 2006-10
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 7 Sep 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Worthington Mn USA
Posts: 185
Leh

Hi and sorry for the delay in answering your post. I was traveling back to the USA and recovering from the trip. Rotang pass is open but I did not go that way. It was in very bad shape and we knew the road to Leh was closed so we took the southerly route through the Spiti valley to give them time to open things up again. We did Recong Peo, Nako, Tabo, Kaza and up to Keylong where it rejoins the route to Leh. Then up to Jispa and north to Sarchu. Then the road does not show up on my map but it is north of Sarchu that the road is closed. It is a diversion that crosses the river and goes east. From Sarchu it is like 250 km to Leh but with the diversion it adds 120 Km to the trip. It goes east and then north and into Leh by a very remote road. There is only one town that you can find a place to stay and it is not listed on my map. The road is doable but I do not find it on any maps. We just followed the diversion and we only met like one guy on the road riding a motorcycle. We stopped and talked to him to make sure we were even on the right road. He had a map and said we were on the road and he was coming south from Leh. He told us where we could stay and said that was the only place he had come by. People just told us that is the only way into Leh. You can also go the western route but it is even longer and the political situtation is not good that way. We also went North out of Leh but only to the top of Khardung La pass. Trucks were coming in that way so I know the road was open. Hope this helps.
__________________
Larry Davis
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 7 Sep 2010
beddhist's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Whangarei, NZ
Posts: 2,214
Smile

Hi Larry,

Thanks for the clarification. So, there IS a third road. Do you have a GPS track by any chance?

Thanks.
__________________
Cheers,
Peter.

Europe to NZ 2006-10
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 8 Sep 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Worthington Mn USA
Posts: 185
Leh

I do not have a GPS track and like I said I do not even have a map that shows it. It crossed over the river where the diversion was and then did a circle back counter clockwise and then north up into Leh. I wish I could give you some more info. I remember from Sarchu to Leh was 250 K and this route added 120 km to it. So it made it 370 KM and a long ride and no good place to stay or eat. Larry
__________________
Larry Davis
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 8 Sep 2010
beddhist's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Whangarei, NZ
Posts: 2,214
Thanks Larry.
__________________
Cheers,
Peter.

Europe to NZ 2006-10
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 2 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What's possible in Nepal / N India / Kashmir in April? transalp_rob Route Planning 5 21 Mar 2009 12:41
Kashmir safety timok West and South Asia 9 16 Jul 2008 16:34
kashmir area?!?! travelingtrev West and South Asia 8 13 Mar 2007 11:48
kashmir area?!?! travelingtrev Route Planning 3 16 Feb 2007 13:39
Border crossing Pakistan-Kashmir-China joachimvonloeben Route Planning 0 3 Feb 2007 21:39

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

25 years of HU Events
Be sure to join us for this huge milestone!

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

Virginia: April 24-27 2025
Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
CanWest: July 10-13 2025
Switzerland: Date TBC
Ecuador: Date TBC
Romania: Date TBC
Austria: Sept. 11-14
California: September 18-21
France: September 19-21 2025
Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:22.