Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Planning, Trip > Route Planning
Route Planning Where to go, when, what are the interesting places to see
Photo by Andy Miller, UK, Taking a rest, Jokulsarlon, Iceland

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Andy Miller, UK,
Taking a rest,
Jokulsarlon, Iceland



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 13 May 2008
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,598
Quote:
Originally Posted by spooky View Post
no probs.....

well the food is getting more expensive than... you can see that right today... burning wheat and growing oil seeds instead for more profit for making bio-fuel is the result there... (all around Berlin they grow oil not food this days) at the end it's easier and cheaper for the oil giants to burn food rather than drilling deeper for new oil source which cost a lot more and was missed out in the past. that way oil prizes remains high and GM-food as well regarding less amount of food acre.... the monopole all in one hand..... for 2009 the German Gov... decided to mix at least 10% BIO-fuel in to mineral-fuel and don't give a toss if older engines packing up.... (buy a new one... is there answer, keeps the economy running)

Yes... to discover the old way and doing things like that is floating around my head... we may all have to get use to it again..... may rather faster than later.... and if we are not getting use to remember the crafts of the past we gone a be in big trouble if the time comes........
If the object is heat, the medaevil practice of growing coppice trees for firewood is the most efficient form of solar heating yet devised. One hectare of trees will produce about 60 CU Mtres of firewood a year ( cut 1/15th per year rotation and is self financing) to get the same energy equivalent from bio oil would take 5 hectares and cost about 35 cents per liter processing costs. The main reason is the seeds that are pressed for oil make up a very small part of teh bio mass grown, wheras with trees, most of teh wood is used for fuel. An Hectare of trees will provide enough wood for three large houses heating and cooking needs for a year
The establishment of a hectare of coppice will recover about 400 tonnes of carbon from teh atmosphere and then remain carbon neutral for several 100 years. Wood is less convenient to use than oil for domestic heating, but the technology is easily understood. On small or an industrial scale is very efficient.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 13 May 2008
Caminando's Avatar
Moderated Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: DogZone Country
Posts: 1,218
Thumbs up

One thing's for sure - capitalism is running off with our money, whichever way you cut it. OldBmw is right - a diesel bike is the answer. It seems there's a diesel bike rally in Germany each year - I must enquire further.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 13 May 2008
spooky's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Utopia/Germany
Posts: 279
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caminando View Post
One thing's for sure - capitalism is running off with our money, whichever way you cut it. OldBmw is right - a diesel bike is the answer. It seems there's a diesel bike rally in Germany each year - I must enquire further.
well I agree with your 1st statement... for sure...
and it's going hand in hand....
but about running a Diesel bike.... well, 1st look at the price for Diesel... it's not that far away from normal fuel.....
and I don't believe or even trust the German government (regime)... at all........ if I remember back to the beginning of the 90's........ the fuel started rising there Diesel remained cheap and the Gov... started forcing people to buy Diesel cars to get older STD-cars off the road in a big manner, making it attractive of being low on TAX and low on Diesel price... than after a few years when Mr.Normal supported the car industries by running there new 2.5Lt Diesel engines, suddenly the Gov... raised the TAX for diesel cars on a massive scale and the hole thing was a big fraud... higher TAX on Diesel followed...... at the time I was still enjoining my 25 year old 3.5lt-V8 ex-MOD 3,5Tonne Land Rover running on 91okt..... cheaper on TAX, insurance and fuel all together than people have invested in there "new" Diesel car.......... at the end I swooped this beloved truck for a 625cc bike as my only transport.......

The thing is, if the demand of some thing is high.... the price will be used to rip off every one........... same will happened to Diesel bikes... well there exhaust soot is a reason (environmental) just look at HGV..... they pay and pay..... no mater what they put in to here tank, mineral Diesel or BIO-Diesel.... BIO-Diesel will go up as well will be used to rip off people again (demand for food will be the reason this time as an argument to cash in on TAX) it's the same old game... 1st make people dependent on a source than use it to empty there pockets....

well.... Diesel is only good for heating and tractors, LPG is only good for cooking, Benzine is good for driving, alcohol is good for drinking, wood can be used for various things but not for drinking.........
__________________
The trouble is that he was talking in philosophy, but they were listening in gibberish.

Last edited by spooky; 13 May 2008 at 12:02.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 13 May 2008
spooky's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Utopia/Germany
Posts: 279
Quote:
Originally Posted by spooky View Post
well.... Diesel is only good for heating and tractors, LPG is only good for cooking, Benzine is good for driving, alcohol is good for drinking, wood can be used for various things but not for drinking.........
Oh yeah I forgot coal as a source of energy......... that's for free.....
at least here in Berlin..... all this "central-heater-wishers" this days, dumping there old coal they had stored in there cellars on the streets in winter for others to use it.... the last two winters I didn't spent a penny on heating that way... just picked it up..... reminds me on that old song "tattoo'd lady from Rory Gallagher".......
a nomad live... sooner or later... or already now.......

spooky
__________________
The trouble is that he was talking in philosophy, but they were listening in gibberish.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 13 May 2008
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,598
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caminando View Post
One thing's for sure - capitalism is running off with our money, whichever way you cut it. OldBmw is right - a diesel bike is the answer. It seems there's a diesel bike rally in Germany each year - I must enquire further.
Details can be found here DieselBike.net The Original Diesel Motorcycle website.

I will be going again this year.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 13 May 2008
BruceP's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: St Helens
Posts: 763
Quote:
Originally Posted by DLbiten View Post
Come to the Americas its cheaper here.

Been there, done that.... ahhhh 2.43USD/Gal..... that was nice.
Even 4.50USD in Big Sur was ok :-)
__________________
--

http://www.ytc1.co.uk
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
African fuel price database - please contribute Chris Scott sub-Saharan Africa 55 11 Jan 2012 14:03
European fuel Qs: Price, Availablilty, Ethanol added? John-DownUnder Europe 16 23 Apr 2007 10:51
Price fuel at Syria and Jordan sciii Middle East 2 23 Feb 2007 01:13
fuel price / Sudan andrasz North Africa 0 15 Sep 2004 16:26
Price of fuel in Sudan KabulCaravan sub-Saharan Africa 2 19 Aug 2004 22:17

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

  • Virginia: April 24-27 2025
  • Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
  • Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
  • CanWest: July 10-13 2025
  • Switzerland: Date TBC
  • Ecuador: Date TBC
  • Romania: Date TBC
  • Austria: Sept. 11-15
  • California: September 18-21
  • France: September 19-21 2025
  • Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 17:20.