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While those of us interested in the fate of the Austrian hostages taken in Tunisia wait for them to be released, life goes on.

Update One: Jeff Condon has returned from the falls and the jungles. As usual he has had adventures of epic proportions. For one, his 1974 Citroen 3cv, actually a 2 wheel drive version of the best 4 wheel drive vehicles available today, mudded in on a steep incline of mud rocks and more loose mud. He and an Australian catching a ride with him, walked for a day until they found a logging camp, spent the night with the loggers, and with the help of heavy machinery hoisted the little Citroen over the mud hill, and off they went toward a water fall that is reported to be 3 K wide.

Of note here, is the fact that Jeff, bought his Citroen in Buenos Aires, from an Argentine owner, titled it in his name, and with the proper documents, "tarjeta verde," insurance card, driver licenses, New Zealand, and International, been able to drive almost 4000 K through Argentina through numerous check points and provincial border checks, with no "document" problems!!!

Update Two: Francais, the young Frenchman is "on the road." Although he called several times before leaving BA, we were not able to meet for a photo opt and goodbyes. He found a 2 year old NX400 Honda Falcon, and bought it, in Buenos Aires. He paid for it and had the title transferred to his name. He obtained his "tarjeta verde" and purchased insurance.

In *one month, expending about $6,000.00 USD, including rack and pannier construction and purchase of all gear, Francais, on his own, and he is only 19 years old, found, purchased, and put a touring package on a 2 year old NX400 Honda Falcon and is currently en route for the border with Chile.
* at least a week was lost while a local bank sorted out a wire transfer problem.

Update Three: Transfer of USA titled Harley Davidson to Argentine title. The title is en route from the States. This process will take off once the USA title in previous owner "or" my name arrives. Plan is to have aduana come out to inspect/value the bike, pay import tax, and register the bike legally in Argentina. This should be interesting, check in later in the week.

This process has been slowed considerably waiting for title from the States.

Thus far the Argentines have not been responsible for any delay.

I have total confidence this process will go smoothly, as the recent "Diplomatic Scandal" caused the downfall of 2 prominent officials here. NO one wants to do anything wrong right now regarding the "import tax issue" and the local press would be on top of any abnormalities in a heartbeat. We will see, We will see.

Meanwhile, Jeff on the ground and Marty via e-mail, are stripping and renewing the Harley. La Harley should be up and running perfectly by the end of the week.

Please post any info regarding length of temporary import permits all Central and South America, any data regarding foreign tourists buying or selling in Central and South America, and know the Austrians will be safely home soon. xfiltrate.
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Gidday,
it had long since been a dream to travel with one of these incredibly capable and economical little cars. Ever since seeing a doco many years ago as a kid about a couple of guys taking one through Africa. They had painted a map on the bonnet with the frayed end of a matchstick to highlight their route. This memory stuck with me for some reason, anyone else remember this or did I dream it? Anyway you could imagine my excitement when I first came to Argentina in 2005 supporting Globebusters first Trans-Am, these little cars were everywhere! I couldn't believe it. This was the place to make my dreams come true and I haven't been disapointed.
If you are considering an alternative and less intrusive way to experience this great region, give one a go. Blasting from Alaska to Ushuaia on a 1200GS was great in 2007, dragging 16 other tourists along with me, not so great but all a little too easy possibly. The 3cv has provided me with a good balance of slow pace, daily driving and maintenance challenges, blending in and at the same time raising enough curiosity from the locals who are quite surprised to see one of these cars going further than to the corner shop.
I've had ample opportunities to "get stuck" in various great places while sourcing parts and making repairs (almost daily). These have always been the best memories for me anywhere, forced to stop and having to deal with a problem gives you a chance to really get to know a place and interact with the locals. Perfect. Can't wait for my next breakdown, wonder where it will be?
The car which I purchased in Buenos Aires with much help from Ed and Elisa is 35 years old, with a 2 cylinder air cooled engine of 600cc displacement and 32hp. It can drive 20kms on 1 litre of fuel or 100kms for 5 litres. As motorcyclists you'll be pleased to know the soft roof folds all the way back and you can put your helmet on and stand up to simulate being back on a bike. It's off road capabilities are incredible and backed up by high ground clearance and "interesting" suspension it will take you where you won't believe. I tested this quite thoroughly on my drive to Iguazu falls and back, exploring the less tavelled logging tracks in eastern Misiones and a drive into Esteros del Ibera in Corrientes on an aptly named Ruta 40 during a rainstorm (possibly not the Ruta 40 we all love, but similar).
I haven't attempted a border crossing yet, no rush, I'm having so much fun in Argy but have plans to drive north again into Uruguay and on to Brasil to continue my research and provide cultural exchanges at some stage soonish.
So for me this whole experience has proved highly successful, we have gained knowledge in the dealings of buying and touring with a local vehicle which hopefully others can benefit from.
If you are looking for a slightly different challenge, come out here and get into one of these very cool little cars, biking's too easy!

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...eeerr no, no blog but maybe I could work out how to put a photo up on here with some help. Unfortunately I'm technologically retarded, best to stay swinging off spanners and away from the keyboard for me.

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Soon, foreign tourist jolaglabek will be posting how she legally purchased a used bike in Chile, and discovered the way to obtain a PADRON, and legally leave Chile with her bike.

WOW From what I understand she speaks only basic Spanish and was able to get it right. Please find her posts under other threads, or be sure to check back here, as she has agreed to share her information on this thread.

More good news, Marty's 1986 Harley Sportster 883 bored out to 1200 is up and running thanks to FIVE CHAPTERS OF GREAT ADVICE FROM MARTY HIMSELF, the mechanical skills of Ramblin Man Jeff Condon, a new battery and the Harley's disc like points, plus a lot of TLC and general maintenance. I stood around and sweated a lot...until this afternoon when I rode it down the ramps to the entrance of the parking garage and back up. Wow what a thrill. It is an easy rider quite nice, and feels light....This Harley has quite a history. See Marty's thread."Missing moto Argentina" by Martin Alexnder.

The paperwork from the States has arrived and Tuesday I have a meet with our GESTOR (one who transfers vehicle titles as a business) and our Dispachante (aduana broker) to determine the process for legally registering the Harley in Argentina.

We are full bore into the Easter Holidays here and nothing official is happening until Tuesday, so please excuse this delay. I know some of you are waiting for our results.

Meanwhile, the inclusion of jolaglabec's data here makes doable the processes for a foreign tourist to purchase new or used bikes in Chile or Argentina. It would be great to take the mystery out of this process for all other Central and South American countries.

I believe buying locally in Argentina or Chile is an inexpensive alternative to shipping bikes in and out of South America. This will enable many more adventurers to make their dream of touring South America a reality be it on a 125 cc Honda or a GS 1200.

We are waiting word from "Francais" the 19 year old Frenchman who recently legally purchased a used NX400 Honda Falcon in Buenos Aires, kitted it out and is riding toward the border of Chile as I write. He will report the events at the border as he attempts to cross into Chile. Be sure and follow this intelligent young man's adventures. I bet he makes it into Chile with no problems! I have yet to discover any law stating that a foreign tourist must live in Argentina one year before taking a bike/motor vehicle out of the country. This is not to say the law does not exist, it is just that I have not yet found found that law. I have found numerous laws regarding the importation of vehicles and few laws regarding the export of Argentine registered vehicles/bikes. Help here would be greatly appreciated.

Ramblin Man Jeff Condon, and his Citroen 3cv are preparing to lead our expedition to Cordoba to investigate UFO sightings there. I hope to ride the Harley, and Elisa will ride my NX400 Honda and if anyone wants to meet en route let us know.

More after the holiday and remember to Eat, Drink and Be Careful, especially during the holidays and buy insurance g damit... xfiltrate
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Ride that Harley and discover some UFO clues. It would be a great way for my old bike to start its new Latin life!
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I just went through the hassle of figuring out a way to buy a motorbike in South America and would like to share my experience incase it might help someone. I would just like to suggest flying a bike over from anywhere rather than buying one here.


My boyfriend and I started our trip in Southern Africa on a Africa Twin. We toured around for 5 months and decided we wanted to keep touring, but explore South America. We decided to fly the Africa Twin to Sao Paolo, Brazil, (and if you would like more info on that small trial please see our web page at www.motorcyclegypsy.com) and buy a second bike in the first country that seemed plausable. We do not speak Portugese or much Spanish so the language barrier in Brazil was a problem to begin with. In most countries there are enough English speakers you can get by, but in Brazil there were not many. Secondly, people kept telling us not to buy a bike in Brazil, especially since we wanted to buy a used bike, for one because many bikes are not originals, and others have been severly tampered with. So we looked around a little but decided to try Uruguay, where we were headed next. Uruguay had a few more English speakers which was great, but it had no selection of motorbikes. The only place that had a few was the capital, Montevideo, and they were quite thrashed.


So we moved on with our trip to Buenos Aires, Argentina, thinking this has got to be the place. Well we searched and searched for about a week, but not much came of it. We heard, but have not seen this in any legal document, that one must live in Argentina for a year in order to be able to take the bike out of the country, or I think there are ways around it and you could have an Argentinian half own the bike and you both leave Argentina on the bike and then I guess it´s yours once you are out of the country...but we did not want to go that route. We heard that if you can buy a bike with US plates it would be a lot easier. So we found a KLR 650 for $3000 with US plates, from a gentleman who had ridden it from Alaska, and thought this would be the one. But, since I have never ridden a motorbike before, and afer looking at the bike we decided to look for a smaller 250cc. I think if that was the right bike for us we could have bought the bike and ridden out of the country with the current owner and then switched paperwork between boarders which isnt legal but it seems like it would work. We looked a bit more for 250´s but there did not seem to be a huge selection and with all the funny laws we decided to head to Santiago, Chile in our search.


Santiago proved to be the place to buy a motorbike. Within one week I had a motorbike and within three weeks I could exit Chile with the bike. I will list the steps below what I did to purchase my bike, but I want to reemphasize that no matter what the Chilean bike sellers tell you, you must have a yellow paper called the Padron, which states the bike is in your name, in order to cross borders with the bike. I had several people, including my seller, tell me that all I need is to go to the notaria and sign the bike over to my name and it should be fine, but no, one must wait one to two weeks for the paperwork to process (through the Registro de Civil) and the Padron to be printed. Also, you need to make sure that before you buy the bike the seller has the bike in his name, as often the bike is in the previous owner´s name. At that point the previos owner must go to the notatira with the current owner and sign it over, before the current owner can sell you the bike. Anyhow, with this Padron I have been able to cross borders between Chile and Argentina endlessly between Ushuaia and Santiago and back. This is the only document they asked of me at the borders.


Anyhow, before buying my bike I e-mailed the Santiago Community on Horizons and they were
very helpful in telling me what I needed to do to buy a bike in Chile. Here are the steps below:

  1. Obtain a Chilean tax ID number called a R.U.T. Stands for Rol Unico Tributario. You can go to a “Registro Civil” office, which exists in every large town, to do this. You must bring your passport and have an address, like the hostel you are staying at. In Santiago I was able to fill out the form and get my RUT number in 30 minutes, for free. Not sure if one might have to wait a few days in smaller towns, in which case they will mail your RUT number to that address you gave them. Anyhow you do not need this RUT number until after you have found a motorbike and are ready to change over the paperwork.
  2. Find a bike. Santiago proved to have many websites for motos, also there is an area in Santiago, which I cannot remember but has a couple blocks of moto shops. And if you e-mail the Santiago community they are very happy to help. Just so you know things are laid back in Chile, just like other South American countries and it took patience to find a moto, since half the time people don´t show up, or are really late, and many of the bikes are thrashed...oh and they are a lot more expensive in South America than in the States, or even Africa.
  3. So once you have found a bike you are ready to do the paperwork. Make sure that as part of your purchase the previous owner promises to come with you to handle all the paper work, both at the notaria and the Registro de Civil (not for the RUT but other doc.s). The paperwork is a confusing thing, as is the Registro de Civil, and things can go array if the previous owner is not there.
  4. The first step is to to go to the Registro de Civil where the sale of the bike is registered. Part of the registro process involvess insuring that the past owner does not have any unpaid tickets (multas) or other liens. But before going to register the sale you wil need to get the chenical inspection passed, think it´s called “revision tecnica” (emissions, equipment, working lights, etc.. You will also have to get insurance, but it is very cheap I hear called “Seguro Automotriz Obligatorio). And you need the VIN and an address and your RUT, and maybe your driver´s lisence. The previous owner had all these documents up to date, including insurance which could be in the previous owner´s name.
  5. Once you make sure there are no tickets or loans against the bike, step 4 above, you need to go to the notaria to sign the bike over to your name. Here you will have to pay a fee, mine was around $50 for the transfer of the documents. Here they will want to see most of the documents again. I guess at this point, when the paperwork is in your name you can hand over the money, but I would not, and did not, untill the final step.
  6. Going back to the Registro de Civil with the new paperwork from the Notaria saying the bike is yours, and applying for the PADRON , the yellow paper that OFFICIALLY states that the bike is in your name, which comes from the government and usually takes 1-2 weeks, which you can not leave Chile without, or can but its hard to get back in I hear. It´s best if the previous owner goes with you back to the Registro Civil until this whole process is complete, no matter what he/she says. Here you can give them an address where you want the PADRON sent to, so I gave them an address in Puerto Veras, way south in Chile so I can travel while the PADRON is being processed. Two weeks later my PADRON still had not arrived in Puerto Veras but I went to the Registro de Civil in that town and they printed my new PADRON out for me, right there.
  7. So just to summerize I think the correct order to get the paperwork is
    -RUT
    -Buy Bike
    -Registro de Civil to register to bike, make sure there are no loans or fines
    -Notaria to change the paperwork into your name
    -Registro de Civil where you go with your new paperwork to apply for the PADRON, which you wait for 1-2 weeks.

But what I did because I was not totally aware of the proper way is
that I went to the Notaria first and signed the bike over to my name before seeing if there were any loans or fines against the bike, and then to the Registro de Civil, oops, luckily
there were no loans or fines.


Good luck and if you need any other info please send me a message throgh HU or e-mail me at jolaglabek@hotmail.com
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Very well done jolaglabek and friend. Your time and effort gathering and presenting information on buying a bike in Chile is greatly appreciated here. Hopefully others will follow you and sharing what they know about legally buying and selling bikes in South America.

Too many days have passed since I last posted and here are a few updates and some new info regarding transferring title of a foreign registered bike in Argentina.

Our young man Francais did report in. His attempt to leave Argentina en route to Ushuaia via Chile failed. He had purchased a used Honda NX400 Falcon in Buenos Aires legally, had all required documents and insurance, but was not permitted to leave Argentina with the bike.

Earlier in this thread, I introduced a remedy for purchasing a bike in Argentina and legally touring other countries and then returning to Argentina that requires an Argentine co-owner of the bike to cross the bike into a neighboring country. As Francais has discovered a foreign tourist is not permitted to ride an his/her Argentine registered bike out of Argentina, at least thus far.

Francais is riding to another border crossing to try his luck and you bet I will keep you posted on the results.

Another project well underway is to discover if it is legally possible to transfer the title of a foreign registered bike from one foreign tourist to an Argentine or to another foreign tourist. I waded through a lot of misinformation regarding this process. I have discovered that If the seller and buyer are both available to sign documents and provide proper ID, in Argentina, and the bike is legally documented, with a plate, from a foreign state/ country, and certain verifications of the authenticity of the documents is provided, (such as apostille from the State/country where the bike is registered), and an import tax is paid the title transfer can be legally accomplished.

I am currently working with a DESPACHANTE (Import broker) who is obtaining the details of the process from his contacts at the aduana (customs) and as I recive more detailed information and independently verify that information I will post it here.

Another ongoing project is finding out how to handle an expired temporary import permit for a foreign registered bike. This is also being handled by the despachante and myself independently, and as the process evolves, I will report how it is done and the costs involved.

If anyone has any related experiences please post here as good solid data based on first hand experiences is always welcome.

On other fronts, Jeff Condon will be on the road again in a day or two in his Argentine Citroen 3cv. This time he is headed toward Cordoba, where, among other equally amazing goals, he wants to para glide off several mountains. This Golbebusters guide is certainly living up to his reputation as adventurer extraordinaire.

As for Marty's Harley, it is running great and had it's initial cleaning after repair and maintenance and I will be posting a photo with update in the very near future.

Remember Javier and Sandra of Dakar Motos, are available to meet your needs and I encountered Sandra successfully clearing a bike through customs , at the international airport here. I ended up with a very nice collapsable motorcycle crate compliments of Eric, who is on his way south.

Since the crate did not have customs documents, Jeff and I had to convince the fork lift driver, and his supervisor to carry it on the fork lift through the customs gate and deposit it in and adjacent parking lot where Jeff and I strapped it to the roof of the 3vc and drove it my parking garage.

Life is good, come visit and thanks for all the great information regarding buying/selling/touring in South America. FOR YOUR PROTECTION FROM THE "BOTS," WHO NEVER SLEEP, AND ENDLESSLY SERARCH THE INTERNET FOR E-MAIL ADDRESSES TO SPAM, USE ONLY PRIVATE MESSAGE COMMUNICATIONS. Thanks xfiltrate
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Hi XFILTRATE,
I found very interesting your thread how to buy a motorbike in Argentina.
I have a question. :confused1:

I have a friend of mine in Argentina that can lend me his motorbike for a trip in South America. Do you think I can go out of Argentina and travel in Chile, Bolivia etc. etc. or I will have problems on the border with custom????

Thank in advance for your kind reply.

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Great question Fantic...

Fantic, Got some good news for you.

According to my GESTOR (one who transfers titles as a business) there exists in Argentina, a way for a non owner rider to legally ride an Argentine registered bike. The owner will have a green card (tarjeta verde) and the authorized rider can be issued a blue card (tarjeta azul) This can be done one day to the next or two days, at the appropriate motor vehicle office where the bike was registered. Both of you must be present with the DNI of the Argentine owner and the green card in his name for the bike, and you must have your passport and possibly your drivers permits, foreign and international. It would be a good idea to carry the insurance card for the bike with you, in case it is requested.

I am not confidant enough to say that you, alone, even with your blue card (tarjeta azul) will be permitted out of Argentina with the bike. Please ask motor vehicles this question. If it is like other regulations I have investigated, you might get several different answers to the same question, and if you do, my advice is to go with the majority opinion, this short of finding the actual law, copying it and carrying it along with you. I do know that if your friend crosses the border on the bike with you, you will be OK probably be OK to enter other countries and return the bike to Argentina.

I have not yet asked for a blue card (tarjeta azul) for an Argentine registered vehicle, but my GESTOR says she has gotten them before for authorized drivers of motor vehicles. There will probably be a small fee to pay. I will be testing this blue card (tarjeta azul) process vey soon, so keep reading this thread.

Please have your Argentine friend check the possibility of obtaining a blue card, at the appropriate motor vehicle office before making definite plans. And be sure to have him ask about you leaving Argentina with his bike. Please, be sure to post here any information regarding a non owner legally riding an Argentine registered bike.

Thanks for the great question and buenas rutas, xfiltrate
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Thank you for your prompt and clear reply.

I'm going to check with my friend in Argentina and I will post the answer.

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Hi Fantic, more later about your question, right now touring on my NX 400 Honda, Jeff and a girlfriend just arrived our camp in San Antonio de Areco out of Buenos Aires, there are reports of UFO activity and we are on it. Take care all I will be posting soon, from home or Cordoba, depending on where leads take us.

More on the <harley when I hear back from aduana. Harley is up and running. We are trying to legally fix expired temp permit. This will a real work of art...

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Elisa has been busy translating a NY Times best selling author's book for an Argentine publishing company and I am pleased to report have ridden to San Antonio de Areco, spent almost a week and to Tigre, for 4 days. Anyone needing camping/hostal info on these areas please private message me, I have really come to know these parts of Argentina in our quest to buy land.

Not much is happening with the US registered Harley. I received one report from the Despachante, who advised not to even think about trying to register it in Argentina until the expired temporary import permit issue is resolved. It is in the hands of appropriate officials of the aduana and I have been advised to expect a fine of some magnitude or other, but no more details.

I apologize for these long delays, but there is just literally nothing to do but wait until the aduana responds officially to my Despachante and he advises me of the next step. I will, of course document all that occurs behind the scenes as best I am able.

There is a way to register a foreign bike in Argentina. I am on it and will continue this quest once the expired import permit issue is resolved.

Need help here with data from other countries that may help foreigners purchase, sell, register bikes. and, still needing more info on length of time each Central and South American country allows for temporary vehicle import. Please help fill the gaps.

Elisa and I are off to join Rambilin Man Jeff Condon in the mountains near Cordoba in our continual quest to tract down UFO sightings and strange encounters, cattle mutilations and now a new report indicates there has been a human mutilation, similar to cattle mutilations here, in the States.

Wow. Life is good see my response under " I just had a gun pointed at me" thread. It has to due with Argentine law, motorcycles, fire extinguishers, safety triangles and your freedom.

*xfiltrate and, buy insurance damit! I mean it!

*Motorcycle Parking still available in Buenos Aires, but our spaces are filling fast.

**We met a very interesting British couple, who purchased a bike in Texas and rode it to Buenos Aires -- their web site...
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I have read this thread with great interest as I too had seen all the 'tin snails' in Argetina and having once owned one have a desire to get a change of perspective.

Originally I planned to sell my bike and get a plane to Oz, but while texting a friend on MSN came up with the idea of buying a 3CV and driving it back to Canada on the opposite coast to that on which I motorcycled down. Eventually ending back in Halifax, NS and shipping the car back to Britain.

Today I have been to see a dealer in Montevideo and was a bit disappointed at the price he offered. While talking, his son doing the translating, I mentioned the alternative plan but said it was not possible for me to buy a car in Argentina and drive it back as I was a foreign national. His sons face lit up and he exclaimed, 'But I have a 3CV for sale, we could do a swop!' His father has been on the phone to their Gestor, and I await his verdict in the morning.

The concerns I have asked him to address are
1/ Can I legally become the owner of the vehicle?
2/ Can I get insurence for it?
3/ Can I take it out of the country?
4/ Can I take it through Central and North America as well as countries in South America?

I know there will be a heap of paperwork to do when I get back to Britain, but that is all well covered in the DVLAs website, so no problems there.

I will keep you all posted with a blow by blow account, maybe it needs a new thread, but as it is so closely tied up and only a stones throw from the BA situation I think it belongs here at the moment.

Maybe that Uruguay is the gateway into America Sur?

BTW I have looked in my passport and most of the stamps are unreadable, but Belize does note the bike details in the passport and so does Hondurus. All countries seem to enter them into a computer database, but how joined up it all is I'm not sure.
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Stagbeetle, go for it. Anything you can document about buying in Uruguay and leaving the country is greatly appreciated here. Elisa and I are in Brazil - We rode our two Hondas up to Iguasu Falls and are returning to BA via Brazil and Uruguay. We will cross into Uruguay in two or three days. Tomorrow we do the thermals at San Miguel D este...

Our plan is to ride down to Colonia and take the Boquebus (ferry) to Buenos Aires. If you get to BA , be sure to let us know and we can compare notes.

For other readers of this thread, sorry for the lack of com. Elisa and I have finally taken our vacation and sthuys far it has been outstanding. The roads throug rural Brazil are incredible...beautiful curves and little or no traffic /animals...We are doing about 200 k a day and enjoying everything. Brazil is great great great.

Meanwhile Ramblin van man Jeff Condon will be back in BA from a series of para gliding flights in cordoba area by the end of the month and so will we. Elisa and I saw him take off from Cuchi Corral in LA Cumbre...Capilla de Monte and safely land some 20 minutes later safely 400 meters below....

I strongly reccomend seeing the falls from the Brazilian side...too. Also , nothing new on the Harley sportster. The aduana is still trying to determine what to do about a bike with an expired temp import with a new owner who is a legal resident of Argentina. This might be a first for them. Not that foreign bike s have not ended up with Argentines, but that the person actually reported the transfer to the aduana. Even the aduana advised through our Gestor (one who transfers titles as a business) and our dispachante that we should simply sell the bike for parts. THAT AIN´T GOING TO HAPPEN EVER...

Anyway it is wait and see and this might be a break through for those of you wanting to sell your bike in BA. At least I will be able to take the mysteria out of how th import tax is determined on an older bike.

Keep the info flowing, even though I am without internet in most places we overnight. We camp, bush camp and do reasonalble hotels every 3rd day or so. Most do not have internet or I am just too lazy to go out and find one that doesn´t take 20 minutes to load Horizons.

Also, please remember the two foreign tourists taken hostage in Tunisia...I have an idea they will be home safe soon....within a week of this date 17th May. But this is only my personal belief.

Thanks to all of you who are or have parked your motos with us in Buenos Aires... will have web site up soon for those needing safe secure parking in BA long or short term...

Eat , Drink and be Careful buenas rutas ,and buy insurance damit. xfiltrate on the road
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