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Colombia to Perú trip
Planning a trip for me and a friend in January 2018 for 3 weeks from Medellín, Colombia to Yurimaguas, Perú then three days floating down the Amazon to Iquitos. I plan to buy new motos in Medellín and sell in Perú.
I was wondering what things I need to plan for this trip( paperwork for motos, border crossings, selling in Perú, insurance). Also looking for suggestions on good places to visit on the way.
Here is the route we are thinking about taking
https://goo.gl/maps/a5EHehGQe4A2
Thanks in advance for any information.
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Hi Willi,
I did the same 4 years ago (buying used vehicle in Colombia and selling it in Lima, passing Yurimaguas (it's usually only 1-2 days from there to Iquitos) passing Lagunas (nice to visit the rest of a piece of an ancient rain forest by small boat).
Contact me for details.
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..and yes... the person buying it from you got screwed because as soon as your TVIP expired, a CAPTURE ORDER went out nationally for that motorcycle!
Plus, you cannot return to Peru again as you will be arrested for Tax Fraud.
We think we can screw with laws just because we are in South America and do what's convenient to us! 
Sorry, but I live and work in Peru and the attitude that some Gringos (and I myself am one despite 36 years here) have causes grief for a thousand others.
Buy in one country and return to sell there. Peru is the best for this! 
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..and yes... the person buying it from you got screwed because as soon as your TVIP expired, a CAPTURE ORDER went out nationally for that motorcycle!
Plus, you cannot return to Peru again as you will be arrested for Tax Fraud.
We think we can screw with laws just because we are in South America and do what's convenient to us!
Sorry, but I live and work in Peru and the attitude that some Gringos (and I myself am one despite 36 years here) have causes grief for a thousand others.
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So I can't sell motorcycle from Colombia in Perú?
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Sorry "Charapshan",
I made this 100% legal and according to the national rules of Colombia and Perú.
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Sorry "Charapshan",
I made this 100% legal and according to the national rules of Colombia and Perú.
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So Ferdi why does charapshan make it sound so bad? I don't mind paying taxes or fees. I just wanted some advice on how to do this trip.
I was talking to my friend and we had decided that if we couldn't sell them in Perú that we might be able to donate to a church or a family that would be able to use them, or is that impossible to do too?
I think someone has been in Perú too long. You can't just label all "gringos" as looking to stick it to someone.
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Hello Willis,
donating or selling is the same for the tolladministration.
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The universal rule is if you bring a private vehicle into a country on a TVIP then you are obliged to take it out again before the TVIP expires.
Yes, there are ways around this that are never 100% legal either, but at least it reduces the risk to the next sucker in the line.
I wrote a checklist of all the things ypu should watch out for - and even made it part of the sales blurb when I sold my vehicle
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Caveat Emptor - BUYER BEWARE
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Caveat Emptor - Buyer beware
Because there is a steady, but thankfully small stream of people getting into trouble with their new purchase, I'm going to play Devils Advocate and post this on every "For Sale" section on this and every other forum I can find.
Directed primarily at the Americas situation, I imagine it will also be applicable all over the world.
Be very aware that buying a foreign-registered car from a foreigner in any country and/or state other than that of original registration is potentially a very bad move unless you fully understand the situation and fully understand the risks.
Yes, lots of people do it and I know it can be done, but there are cases where people have been stopped at the border and other cases where people have had their vehicles confiscated for irregular ownership transfer even after several successful border crossings.
I published this check list on several forums so to be consistent, I publish it here as well – AND provide the answers (in Italics) as they apply to our F350 with BigFoot Camper. Feel free to double check and ask questions.
Things to watch for -
Expired registration. Registration on Montana-registered vehicles more than 10 years old can be “Permanent” on payment of a once-only fee. Applies to this vehicle so it never expires
Non-current roadworthy or smog certification. Montana has no annual inspections, roadworthy or smog inspections to become non-current.
Fake License plates. Absolutely genuine front AND rear plates AND they are glued in place to keep them that way.
License plates with year tags missing or incorrect. Tag on the rear plate is “Perm(anent)” and there is a spare if required
Fake documents. Title and Registration documents are genuine and as supplied by Montana authorities. Quality laminated copies are also provided to use as working copies at borders and roadside stops.
Supposed original Documents that have been laminated. Nope, just the copies. Originals are carefully stored in plastic sleeves and only handed over to authorised people on the rare occasions when they won't accept the laminated copies
Bill of sale drawn up 'legally" in the foreign country. Won't be necessary since all changes are done in Montana
Not possible to obtain legal ownership in your name back in the country of origin. Truck is owned by an Limited Liability Company and you get to own that company. Can all be done by email using our Montana agent. Cost of doing this is generally less than the sales tax and transfer costs imposed on vehicle sales by most other USA States and we can share the cost.
Your nationality different to the owners or the vehicle home country Irrelevant since any person can legally own (meaning be a Director of) a Montana LLC
Multiple blank PODERS offered or poder without all required stamps or your name missing No, because that is illegal but depending how we do the handover, one Poder may be required. You may also have to get a Notarised Document in which you as director of your company, give yourself permission to drive the vehicle. Silly, but that is the way it works.
Any vague excuses for discrepancies in paperwork or situation No discrepancies so no excuses required
Any seller that makes assurances such as "She'll be right" or "No worries" or I've checked it all out and …" Sorry, no 100% guarantees possible, but together we should be able to cover all bases.
Any vehicle without a valid Temporary Import Permit or equivalent document It will be valid on the agreed handover date and have time remaining to leave the country safely. Depending on the country it should have several months to a year of validity.
Any suggestion that valid Liability Insurance isn't available to cover you, the new driver. Liability Insurance IS required by nearly all countries and this is YOUR responsibility so we put you in touch with someone who can arrange it for all S American countries from Peru, Brazil and south. Other countries you can get it at the borders (eg Colombia) or online (eg Mexico)
Owner wanting full payment before it has crossed the first border We can negotiate this to suit both parties. Bond holder, and/or some down, some when picked up and some after a certain time or ???
Current owner not contactable. As long as that proverbial bus doesn't take me out, I'll either be there in person when you arrive or on the end of the phone or email..
Vehicle not in legal roadworthy condition To the best of our knowledge it will be – after all, Betty and I are fairly risk-adverse and we have just finished another three or four months driving it in several countries under all sorts of conditions.
Vehicle without all "extras" required in that country Yet to pay any bribes or tips and all the usual scam-target extras such as first aid kit, warning triangles, fire extinguisher, speed sign, reflective strips, hi-viz safety jackets, country of origin sticker are on board and it will be in that country under the authority of the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic, but it still sometimes comes down to how stubborn you can be vs the corrupt cop. Anti-corruption forms for most countries are on board. Read up on all the scam avoidance tips and tricks you can find and be prepared.
As I said, it can be done but as the title states - if it goes wrong, it is your problem. Best of luck trying to get Consumer Affairs involved. If you find any or these items apply to your planned purchase then make sure they can be answered and fixed before you hand over any significant amount of money. At the very least insist on retaining a substantial part of the purchase price until you get over the first border and into the next country with all paperwork and registrations in your name. Head must rule, not the heart. If the current owner is 100% genuine then he will be more than happy to share the risks. If not, then now is the time to walk away.
We have personally been through this process twice without problems and have sensible suggestions and advice to help your purchase go off without a hitch too – and I am happy to share the risk of following those suggestions and advice. However, if you have another method you know is a sure thing, then feel free, but since the outcome is then out of my control I will want all of my money before you get final possession.
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Obviously this was for our situation so you need to come up with a way to solve issues special to you and your buyer/borrower
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You can't just label all "gringos" as looking to stick it to someone.
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Lets just put it this way. When you have a seller desperate to get some dollars for his "beloved" vehicle so he can buy a plane ticket home, and a newbie buyer that has never been away from home and is desperate to begin his dream journey of a lifetime and hasn't a clue and is absolutely desperate to get started and is therefore willing to overlook a few minor details here and there, the potential for tears and regret is unusually high.
One series of emails I have details a three-month delay and tens of thousands of dollars fines and duty because they were conned by the seller, and another couple of emailed exchanges relate individual tales of woe when two would-be buyers had their newly-borrowed vehicles confiscated at the border.
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Lets just put it this way. When you have a seller desperate to get some dollars for his "beloved" vehicle so he can buy a plane ticket home, and a newbie buyer that has never been away from home and is desperate to begin his dream journey of a lifetime and hasn't a clue and is absolutely desperate to get started and is therefore willing to overlook a few minor details here and there, the potential for tears and regret is unusually high.
One series of emails I have details a three-month delay and tens of thousands of dollars fines and duty because they were conned by the seller, and another couple of emailed exchanges relate individual tales of woe when two would-be buyers had their newly-borrowed vehicles confiscated at the border.
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Thanks for the advice Tony.
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