Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Regional Forums > South America
paperwork when selling bike in SA via hubb forum paperwork when selling bike in SA via hubb forum
Register FAQ Calendar Today's Posts
South America Topics specific to South America only.
Photo by Hendi Kaf, in Cambodia

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Hendi Kaf,
in Cambodia



Like Tree2Likes
  • 1 Post By NewbRider
  • 1 Post By AnTyx

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 1 Jul 2018
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
  
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Moscow, RU
Posts: 10
paperwork when selling bike in SA via hubb forum
Hello!

I want to ship my own bike to Chile then after ending my trip in Colombia sell it to someone on this forum. What to do with ownership papers after the deal? The bike is on me and has russian plates. How to change the owner?

Thanks in advance!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 1 Jul 2018
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Wessex, UK
Posts: 2,136
Where are you from and where will your bike be registered to start with? Different countries have different systems regarding change of ownership.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 2 Jul 2018
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
  
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Moscow, RU
Posts: 10
I'm from Russia, my bike is registered in Russia. By law we usually make a contract of sale and when the buyer registers the bike on himself the seller loses registration.

When the bike goes abroad and stays there i must unregister the bike before crossing the border - but i cannot enter Chile without plates and papers - or i can take certificate of ownership with me home and unregister it afterwards - but shouldn't i give it to the buyer?

But somehow people buy and sell bikes here - they look for their countrymates or is the procedure different in the USA or Britain?..
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 2 Jul 2018
charapashanperu's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Huanuco, Peru, SA
Posts: 671
Unless you process the Importation taxes to the country you hope to sell it in (mostly impossible in most countries especially if the moto is more than 5 years old), then it is illegal to sell a foreign motorcycle in a country it is not registered in.

Even if you are able to do this, it may take one month to get the local registration before you could sell.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 5 Jul 2018
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 139
Just get a poder and "borrow them" the bike. I suppose someone will have a go about that now since you mentioned you are selling it. But that's what everybody does if it's too complicated to transfer the ownership. And the person who "borrows" the bike can then "borrow" it to someone else when they leave.

Let the whining commence.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 6 Jul 2018
charapashanperu's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Huanuco, Peru, SA
Posts: 671
Quote:
Originally Posted by NewbRider View Post
Just get a poder and "borrow them" the bike. I suppose someone will have a go about that now since you mentioned you are selling it. But that's what everybody does if it's too complicated to transfer the ownership. And the person who "borrows" the bike can then "borrow" it to someone else when they leave.

Let the whining commence.
Still the PODER will only be good until the remaining TVIP 90 days (or less) expires, THEN the government grabs it!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 6 Jul 2018
Registered Users
HUBB regular
  
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 38
What about selling the bike in a Chilean "Zona Franca" - Iquique, for example?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 6 Jul 2018
Snakeboy's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Back into the hamster wheel again, in Oslo - Norway. Did a 5 year RTW trip/250 k kms, 2014-2019
Posts: 1,524
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
What about selling the bike in a Chilean "Zona Franca" - Iquique, for example?
Zona Franca has absolutey nothing to do with temporary imported foreign vehicles and a possible changw of ownership between two foreigners. Zona Franca is set up to sell some imported products with less custom tax to the locals. Cosmetics, perfume and chocolate are usually the best buys there....
__________________
In the end everything will be fine. If its not fine its not the end....
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 6 Jul 2018
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 139
??? I don't get the people on here sometimes. Who cares about the TIP? If he sells it on the hubb, on foreign plates it's going to be to a foreigner who will leave the country with it. Why the fearmongering about the TIP?!

OP asked what do people do about the paperwork when people sell their bikes here. And here's what they do. They get a poder if it's not possible to transfer the plates in the original country of the bike. Pretty much end of story. Doesn't need to be more complicated than that. And for anyone about to say "but wait, it's not possible or legal because..." nearly ALL foreign bikes here are either still with the original owner, or on a PODER.

I have a poder on my bike (and my own plates once I've crossed the first border). It took an hour, and cost 10000 CLP around $20usd.

You know, I nearly put off my whole trip after reading some of the crap that people spout on here, luckily some people do give decent info, you just have to find it.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 6 Jul 2018
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
  
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Moscow, RU
Posts: 10
Quote:
They get a poder if it's not possible to transfer the plates in the original country of the bike
That's exactly what I asked. Thanks, NewbRider
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 6 Jul 2018
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Tartu, Estonia
Posts: 1,111
Quote:
Originally Posted by korsun View Post
I'm from Russia, my bike is registered in Russia. By law we usually make a contract of sale and when the buyer registers the bike on himself the seller loses registration.

When the bike goes abroad and stays there i must unregister the bike before crossing the border - but i cannot enter Chile without plates and papers - or i can take certificate of ownership with me home and unregister it afterwards - but shouldn't i give it to the buyer?

But somehow people buy and sell bikes here - they look for their countrymates or is the procedure different in the USA or Britain?..
From what I know, Russia's procedure is indeed a bit more difficult than other countries (you have to bring back the paperwork and the plates to get it off your name... and until then, you're expected to pay road taxes on it?).

Most foreign bikes sold in South America seem to be in North American plates - US or Canada - and bought with the vague idea that someone will eventually go back up to Alaska with them and change the ownership to their name.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 7 Jul 2018
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
  
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Moscow, RU
Posts: 10
Quote:
From what I know, Russia's procedure is indeed a bit more difficult than other countries (you have to bring back the paperwork and the plates to get it off your name... and until then, you're expected to pay road taxes on it?).
Exactly. But actually you can go to a road police department and say that the bike was stolen or fatally damaged in SA with all the papers and you want to take it off your name.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12 Jul 2018
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 231
1. People who want to do everything 110% kosher will find that it not very possible down there. Those people are better off shipping their own bike to and out of SA.

2. People who want to do it in a mostly legal way and understand how things really work in SA will find it very easy and very possible.

Note: Option 2 requires a little bit of photoshop in most cases.

I was an option 1 type guy before going to SA but now I am very option 2 type guy.
Reply With Quote
Reply

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How to ship your bike to/from Russia - practical advice for adventure riders alex_nikonov Route Planning 29 11 Aug 2024 20:36
Complete Central America/Mexico/Colombia Border Crossing Information sellheim Central America and Mexico 30 7 Mar 2023 00:33
Questions over bike paperwork into Buenos Aires? zedsdead South America 0 31 May 2015 11:13
Bike & dog friendly Morocco-Mauritania-Senegal-Mali SauerkrautandTofuwurst Sleep and Eat, North Africa 0 27 Mar 2014 22:16
A Gringo in Colombia Ride4Adventure Ride Tales 13 20 Apr 2012 03:15

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

25 years of HU Events
Be sure to join us for this huge milestone!

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

Virginia: April 24-27
Queensland is back! May 2-5
Ecuador June 13-15
Germany Summer: May 29-June 1
CanWest: July 10-13
Switzerland: Date TBC
Ecuador: Date TBC
Romania: Date TBC
Austria: Sept. 11-14
California: September 18-21
France: September 19-21
Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

Your ad could be here, on EVERY page of the HUBB, or the whole website, or as many as you like!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:25.

Contact Us - Horizons Unlimited Motorcycle Travellers Website - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top