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Travelling in borrowed vehicle?
Is/has anyone travelling Using a vehicle not registered to them?

If so are you crossing borders on
- a carnet in your name / the owners name
- V5 in owners name, but with a letter of permission to use their vehicle
- some other method, if so what

The question follows on from a question I asked a few days about transferring ownership, which is the other option, but we are finding that has its own challenges! We are hoping to travel from Peru to Ushuaia in a Land Rover borrowed from friends currently on a trip, but taking a break. We, they and the car are all British

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You will need a Poder, which is the SA equivalent of a Power of Attorney. It is a legal document recognised by some countries. You will also need the original vehicle paperwork and the original TVIP issued to the owner. I would also suggest you have copies of the owner's personal documents icluding copies of all entry and exit stamps for arg and chile

Reading your post more carefully, you mentioned Peru and Peru has been quite problematic when it comes to accepting poders drawn up in Chile. Perhaps if the poder was drawn up in Peru, there wouldn't be a problem
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From what I heard from others and encountered myself in 2016 entering Peru from Chile and Bolivia, in/on a foreign vehicle, the name in the driver's passport must match the name on the vehicle registration doc/v5.

If the above is not the case you can have whatever poder you want, they won't let your vehicle into Peru.

Entering Bolivia from Peru/Argentina the customs people also carefully compared the name in my passport to my v5.

At most other frontiers in South America things were a great deal more casual in my experience.

Ben: the £25 lost/new v5 shuffle discussed in a previous thread you started or Adobe Photoshop are pretty much the 2 options you have.
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Hi,

I'd recommend you check with each country's consulate/embassy.

When I travel, I do it on my own vehicle. But from what I keep reading in brazilian forums, when we travel in a third-party vehicle an try to enter another LA country, we have to have a signed document by the owner that was officially recognized/stamped by our foreign affairs department and also by each country consulate/embassy that we want to enter.
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Hi,

I'd recommend you check with each country's consulate/embassy.

When I travel, I do it on my own vehicle. But from what I keep reading in brazilian forums, when we travel in a third-party vehicle an try to enter another LA country, we have to have a signed document by the owner that was officially recognized/stamped by our foreign affairs department and also by each country consulate/embassy that we want to enter.
As Tony mentioned, what you need is a PODER, that you get for a few pesos in any NOTARIA.
The PODER and the NOTARIA might have a different name in each country, but thats what you need to do/get.
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As Tony mentioned, what you need is a PODER, that you get for a few pesos in any NOTARIA.
The PODER and the NOTARIA might have a different name in each country, but thats what you need to do/get.
Not for Peru. You need to be the owner!
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Not sure what to advise. Definitely true that Peru makes it hard for those driving Chile registered vehicles into Peru on a poder, and sometimes even if all stages of the sale paperwork have been completed, although supposedly they can get into peru by detouring through bolivia.
However in this case the poder would be drawn up in peru, so provided poders were allowed within peru, maybe the proposal would fly.
My experiences with poders have been limited to getting over the border of the starting country, because after that point we had new papers in our own names to enter the next country
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As Tony mentioned, what you need is a PODER, that you get for a few pesos in any NOTARIA.
The PODER and the NOTARIA might have a different name in each country, but thats what you need to do/get.
We agree that is necessary a document signed by the owner grating the "power/poder" to a friend to ride his motorcycle in another country and this document must be recognized by a public notary in one country.

Legally this document may not be recognized/accepted in another country. You may get lucky and the customs official accepts it. Or he may request that this document needs to be recognized by his country and that can be done by a consulate/embassy in the country were the document was emitted.

For example, in Mercosul, only documents emitted by a central authority is officially accepted. Documents recognized by a public notary are not. There may be other agreements, like the one from Brazil and Argentina that recognizes documents from a public notary. But each country has its own laws and agreements. That is why I recommend a simple check with the local consulate/embassy of each destination country. Most of the time it can easily be done in your own country by email or telephone.

That is my two cents... But as i said before... I don't have experience crossing borders with a third party vehicle... I'm just used to latin american bureaucracy...
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Not sure about the details but I met a US? couple on a Canadian van bought in Colombia down in Chile. They came via Peru and probably had an corresponding poser by the first owner. They said they did not have any issues.
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