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I told my MP ( Ed Balls himself no less) I wanted direct democracy. An online vote for policies not parties or people. Would you believe he didn't agree? Could it be the huge salary, expense account and job security based on getting promoted to the house of lords might sway his thinking there?
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I'm sure you've already heard that Mr Balls has ballsed it up and is no longer on a fat salary and expenses. He may of course now be heading to the House of Lords.
It's said that politics is Hollywood for ugly people. That's certainly true in in red Ed's (x 2) case.
Gorgeous George got binned too. I wonder if he will now have others able to salute his indefatigability.
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Well, I wasn't expecting that. Were you expecting that? I wasn't.
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Thats why some people believe we should have proportional representation!
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That was my point in fact.
Another statistic from the reporting:-
About 7% of the UK population get 56 seats (Scotland) and about 14% get just 2 (if the forecast at present turns out to be correct).
So, things have changed but they haven't; the constitution of the UK is very amiss; it could be best described as dysfunctional.
And, if the turnout of voters is analysed then it is likely to show that politics in Scotland is far more important to that electorate than it is the case in England et al.
Prediction:
The way it will go for the next 5 years is that UKIP will morph into some form of an English Independance Party (that is where they are receiving their support of nearly 4m votes) while both the Scots and Welsh continue to plough their own furrows (along with Northern Ireland of course).
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I'm sure you've already heard that Mr Balls has ballsed it up and is no longer on a fat salary and expenses. He may of course now be heading to the House of Lords.
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Can't say I'm that upset. He was actually the best of the Red Rosetted Pork Pies we've had since they gave the plebs the vote and the Yellow lot couldn't bribe enough voters anymore (We were a prober bent Borough back in the olden days, three voters; the MP, his brother and the bloke they got ****ed on polling day to make sure).
We had Merlyn-Rees who was just dumped here to hide from the IRA after his stint in Ulster. It was a sort of retirement/care in the community sort of job. He once actually told me I was wasteing my vote not picking red as they'd always hold the place. Then we had Colin Challen who I think was some trade union reject, but he never actually turned up. You could at least check that Red Ed made it nearer to the chamber than the members bar. He'll have to learn to recognise parked cars and yellow lines now he's rejoined the minions though. 
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Done and dusted, for now
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That was my point in fact.
Another statistic from the reporting:-
About 7% of the UK population get 56 seats (Scotland) and about 14% get just 2 (if the forecast at present turns out to be correct).
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Quite apart from the absolute population figures, what happened is:-
37% of those who voted got some 331 seats and the govn they voted for.
31% of those who voted got 232 seats
13% of those who voted got 1 seat (the Kippers)
8% of those who voted got 8 seats (the Liberal-Dems)
7% of those who voted got 22 seats (the Others)
5% of those who voted got 56 seats (in Scotland)
So, it's another minority government that has to govern with a very thin majority in the parliament.
That will work then!
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3.6 million UK voters are undecided
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Well, I wasn't expecting that. Were you expecting that? I wasn't.
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Me neither - shocked and really hoping (praying) for the compassionate brand of conservatism promised years ago. Feel sorry for Clegg - I thought that overall the ConDem government did a decent job in difficult circumstances - a better job than the Tories would have delivered alone.
Conscious that is a personal opinion and as per the intro to this thread, respect that others will have different views which are as equally valid as mine
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I'm with you; the brakes are off and I'm a little concerned.
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Coming full circle
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According to the YouGov survey
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This class of people are now crying into their glasses of pinot noir and half pint lager shandies while proclaiming that their game will continue and they will do better next time; any excuse applies for failing to do what they claim to do but they never mention that politicians lie and the public have learnt to lie to the pollsters.
There is only one poll that counts.
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3.6 million UK voters are undecided
I think the polling issue is quite interesting.
My gut instinct is that it gave a misleading picture for 3 reasons:
1. The undecideds went right not left at the end - and there were enough of them to make a big difference
2. Overall the left wing vote is more ideological than the centre right one and hence more likely to commit earlier, thereby distorting the poll
3. In some circles at least voting left is viewed as socially more 'acceptable' (certainty among my mates you'd believe the no one with any shred of decency could possibly not be left wing - total rubbish but there you go). As such those voting left are more open about it.
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13% of those who voted got 1 seat (the Kippers)
8% of those who voted got 8 seats (the Liberal-Dems)
7% of those who voted got 22 seats (the Others)
5% of those who voted got 56 seats (in Scotland)
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There has to be a better solution than the above. At the moment a massive percentage of votes cast have no impact whatsoever on the results, so no wonder that many people think they are disenfranchised. I think everyone's vote should have some impact even if it's a much diluted one.
If you apply the SNP results (4.7%) to the UKIP percentage (12.6%), UKIP should have got 150 seats.
According to the Electoral Reform Society, if the election had been run under the D'Hondt method of converting seats to votes, UKIP would have had 83 seats, LibDem 50 seats and SNP 25 seats. But this sounds too extreme in the opposite direction, maybe the ideal result lies a formula that gives a result somewhere in between.
But... back to lies, damned lies and polls...
According to the pollsters there was a sudden last minute shift in voting intentions. OK, so if this was the case you'd expect it to be reflected in this morning's polling.
Yet when YouGov poll asked this morning what respondents thought of the result of the election, a full 50% said they were disappointed or worse. This demonstrates that clearly the respondents are NOT representative of the voting public at large. So I won't be paying much attention to polls in the future.
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Well, put your thumbs in your braces and tell us all about it.
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Ed Miliband, born 24 December 1969; died, May 7 2015. He leaves behind a smug clique
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"Ed Miliband, born 24 December 1969; died, May 7 2015. He leaves behind a smug clique of elitist a**eholes"
There are others who can tell the tale far better than I:
The 25 Hour News and Dead Ed: An Obituary
The Sunday Post: A Right Kick in the Balls
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I followed the links but didn't read them. If they had an opinion that they were prepared to put their name behind maybe i would have. Without some credentials their opinion is just that 'their anonymised opinion' and therefore no more valid than yours or mine and therefore not worth quoting, though clearly thats just my opinion. 
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I followed the links but didn't read them. If they had an opinion that they were prepared to put their name behind maybe i would have. Without some credentials their opinion is just that 'their anonymised opinion' and therefore no more valid than yours or mine and therefore not worth quoting, though clearly thats just my opinion. |
well, that's a matter of opinion!
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Yep, that's life.
Be careful not to countenance any view that may clash with current belief systems.
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