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Wet wipes block sewers! They don't break down like toilet paper and I'd guess they're not as biodegradable? Certainly harder to set light to too!
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Do arts degrees block sewers?
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Ha! I will just tell you one thing: Once you get used to the left hand and the water, you will really appreciate that system (Millions of people use that everyehere, none has died from it as far as I know).
So here's my 2 tricks:
#1 Take a haf litre or 75 Bottle (I personally use Oxygen Water ones from the petrol station because of the squirt-lid they come with) full (FULL FULL) with water. If you use a normal water bottle, have a lid with a small hole in it (your leatherman tool will help you with that) as you done with your business aim at your anus holding the bottle in your right hand and sqqueeze firmly. The spray will take away some firm bits that may still hang about there. Then rub with your left while still sprinkling water. This is a way gentler way to get yourself clean as smearing your poo up and down your crack with paper. Especially when you have some problems and need to go very often it prevents you from getting rash quite effectively.
#2 Sprinkle a little water before you squeeze that brick out, poo won't stick on a wet surface ;-) means easyer clean afterwards. Try this at home, wet or not , the first swipe with paper will tell you the difference (do that over a couple of sessions, it convinced me 100%.)
Bad thing about toilet paper in desert climates: for the lack of moisture it won't decompose as quickly as it would at home... so take a lighter to torch it if you feel like you must use paper. Mini torches used for soldering do a good job here. Wind will uncover your business sooner or later and the paper will fly...
I promise this will change your life! (And it's good for nature too. Guess the bog roll industry won't approve but immagine the Impact worldwide. No more use for bog roll... No more pollution in production and disposal... )
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Millions of people have died worldwide because of diseases in fecal matter.
Unless you wear single-use gloves, make sure to use a lot of alcohol and/or soap and water to desinfect those fingers after you have "massaged" the bunghole.
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Read recently that a fatwa has been issued allowing Muslims to use toilet paper.
I don't imagine that will mean paper will be available in toilets all over the world but that won't matter because all over the world, toilet paper is NOT routinely supplied. Bring your own ALWAYS because then and only then will you always have toilet paper.
BTW toilet paper is readily available in even little village stores all over Morocco, albeit in smaller rolls than in the west.
Just remember to put the used paper in the bin since most sewer systems can't handle paper
Using water?? Yes, can just imagine that at 4am in Patagonia - outside the tent, pitch black, below freezing and wind at Force 5. You will need one hand just to hold on to a tree to stop from being blown away.
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I'm in Morocco now, and a combination of wet wipes and toilet tissue works well.
All hotels will have western toilets, it's just the places you might stop at along the way, or if out on the piste.
Carry some alcohol gel, many bathrooms down have soap.
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Look what I have been given....
The branding is interesting but the operation of the product may be made a little harder.
Would of been easier if there was a captain brown, or something like that!
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Millions of people have died worldwide because of diseases in fecal matter.
Unless you wear single-use gloves, make sure to use a lot of alcohol and/or soap and water to desinfect those fingers after you have "massaged" the bunghole.
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The bottle placed facing downwards etween your knees squeezing it provides the outdoor "sink"... wash your hands after having used the Bathroom was standard to me and I thoght it's quite common... So for you TwoUpFront:
#3 After going to the toilet, WASH YOUR HANDS!
(Alcohol is not needed, thats western germ paranoia. If this was dangerous, there wouldn't be more ppl in India than in europe and USA combined ;-) ) (yess, I googled it, wikipedia confirms those numbers...)
Diseases of facal matter (Cholera and the like) happen when your poo-germs get into drinking water. What way you wiped your butt when releasing them doesn't matter...
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The bottle placed facing downwards etween your knees squeezing it provides the outdoor "sink"... wash your hands after having used the Bathroom was standard to me and I thoght it's quite common... So for you TwoUpFront:
#3 After going to the toilet, WASH YOUR HANDS!
(Alcohol is not needed, thats western germ paranoia. If this was dangerous, there wouldn't be more ppl in India than in europe and USA combined ;-) ) (yess, I googled it, wikipedia confirms those numbers...)
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Sure. Birth rates are irrelevant.
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Diseases of facal matter (Cholera and the like) happen when your poo-germs get into drinking water. What way you wiped your butt when releasing them doesn't matter...
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Or your food. People tend to touch things during the day.
I will also note, that "washing your hands" in much of the muslim world, often constitutes dipping and rubbing your hands in a basin with water alone, and not under running water using soap.
But, hey, no need to worry about diseases as there are more people there than here. It must then be perfectly risk and disease free.
Seriously, I'm done. If you think that the amount of people in a part of the world somehow proves a certain type of behaviour is as safe as another behaviour in another part of the world, then there is nothing I can say.
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West Africans are more acutely aware of the importance of hygiene then most westerners.
I have often witnessed locals being upset with the behaviour of us 'white people' in these matters.
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Ha! I will just tell you one thing: Once you get used to the left hand and the water, you will really appreciate that system (Millions of people use that everyehere, none has died from it as far as I know).
So here's my 2 tricks:
#1 Take a haf litre or 75 Bottle (I personally use Oxygen Water ones from the petrol station because of the squirt-lid they come with) full (FULL FULL) with water. If you use a normal water bottle, have a lid with a small hole in it (your leatherman tool will help you with that) as you done with your business aim at your anus holding the bottle in your right hand and sqqueeze firmly. The spray will take away some firm bits that may still hang about there. Then rub with your left while still sprinkling water. This is a way gentler way to get yourself clean as smearing your poo up and down your crack with paper. Especially when you have some problems and need to go very often it prevents you from getting rash quite effectively.
#2 Sprinkle a little water before you squeeze that brick out, poo won't stick on a wet surface ;-) means easyer clean afterwards. Try this at home, wet or not , the first swipe with paper will tell you the difference (do that over a couple of sessions, it convinced me 100%.)
Bad thing about toilet paper in desert climates: for the lack of moisture it won't decompose as quickly as it would at home... so take a lighter to torch it if you feel like you must use paper. Mini torches used for soldering do a good job here. Wind will uncover your business sooner or later and the paper will fly...
I promise this will change your life! (And it's good for nature too. Guess the bog roll industry won't approve but immagine the Impact worldwide. No more use for bog roll... No more pollution in production and disposal... )
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I'm glad someone mentioned this. I was curious in Iran in 2007 and after the initial 'that's disgusting' knee-jerk which most Westerners have, I was totally converted. I think I have been forced to dry-wipe (for lack of water) on only two occasions since. I've converted a couple of friends too.
Out of interest, Jack Kerouac writes about this in Big Sur "everyone is walking around with dirty assholes"
Indeed, not only is this very convenient when travelling, more environmentally friendly if going in the great outdoors, it is far cleaner (think of an analogy, mustard on a velcro pad?? - the soft side!!), quicker and kinder to your anus.
The question of hygiene is a separate one of course, whether someone washes their hands after taking a dump is unrelated to their clean-up method. Frankly in a public lavatory I'd be just as, if not more worried about what was on the door handle / taps than what came out of me.
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Fluid mechanics of sewers
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Wet wipes block sewers! They don't break down like toilet paper and I'd guess they're not as biodegradable? Certainly harder to set light to too!
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I can vouch for this, having recently spent a few hours with the drain rods clearing a length of standard sized domestic UK sewer and a total of 4 manholes (in the UK these are sometimes called person-holes nowadays for the sake of PC but, in any case, I am referring to the constructions that allow access to the sewers rather than another definition of the word).
I had plenty of time and opportunity to observe, handle and ultimately remove by hand (otherwise they may just block again further downstream which will come back to bite you eventually) the wet wipes which had not rotted or deteriorated at all compared with the standard bog roll mixed in with the inevitable.
Final disposal was via a bonfire of wet wipes for the sake of hygiene in a garden used by children; this after they had dried out naturally in strong winds.
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Some of you should look up "germ theory". Apparently, it is not understood by quite a few of you.
Oh, yeah, "but it's only a theory",
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Some of you should look up "germ theory". Apparently, it is not understood by quite a few of you.
Oh, yeah, "but it's only a theory", ![RoFL](https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
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Having studied Microbiology at University I think I understand bacteria, virus and hygiene very well thank you
You seem to be confusing an acceptable way of cleaning up after leaving the kids at the pool for billions of people worldwide with good hygiene practices.
It doesn't matter whether you've caressed your posterior with some of andrex's finest quilted bottom soothers or if you scraped it clean with your finger nail.
What matters is your hygiene standards afterwards
Exposure to germs is actually good for a human immune system as it helps a body build up a resistance to bacteria and infections. Unfortunately western media and marketing by the cleaning product industry have many people believing any thing which isn't more sterile than an operating theatre is dangerous for them.
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Some of you should look up "germ theory". Apparently, it is not understood by quite a few of you.
Oh, yeah, "but it's only a theory", ![RoFL](https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
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Take a look at a piece of lavatory paper under a microscope - it's not like a sheet of plastic, but a web of fibres. These germs of which you speak can easily get through here, and they are on your finger. Only there is no water flowing over your finger when you use paper.
Still need to wash hands after cleaning up, even if you use paper.
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