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Originally Posted by vagabond2020
You bring up a good point and I am in FL, that would making shipping pretty easy too. I have a friend that is in the Suriname military and I could use that as a starting point in South America. I might want to avoid Venuzula though because it is in disarray right now.
I need to find a trip report or someone who has visited there recently to get some good information on that. You are right though I could ship from South America into South Africa and make my way up to northern Africa and from there Europe.
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I'm going to suggest that you are trying to start with too narrow a focus. There are many flaws with what you've written so far in this thread--for example, you cannot cross the Morocco/Algeria border, although you can take a ferry from Europe into Algeria easily enough; Libya is currently unsafe no matter who you are or how you're traveling; avoiding Venezuela as an American is not a choice, since they won't let you in; etc.
There are similar limitations scattered throughout the world. Trying to plan at this level without enough background understanding will just lead you into a variety of dead ends. We are privileged as more or less financially secure Westerners, but the world doesn't actually revolve around our desires the way it used to in our favorite fantasies.
I'd suggest: start with one or more of Chris Scott's books if you haven't already done so. Hang out on sites like this one--far better than ADVrider unless you intend to stay USA-centric for the rest of your life--just reading whatever comes up to accumulate background information. And use the weather as one of your central organizing principals, since not doing so will make you miserable, perhaps immobilize you completely, and may even get you dead.
Motorcycles and bad weather don't mesh well for most people, and this includes rainy seasons, temperate zone winters, hot seasons in an increasing percentage of the globe, and more. If you're starting in September it would make perfect sense to head south into Latin America--with a few minor cautions about rainy seasons and occasional hurricanes. The whole of Central and South America are accessible without insoluble visa issues, carnets, or even non-Latin-based languages (for the most part).
Exploring southern Europe before heading south into Africa would also make sense, although Africa's not as straightforward as South America for the less-experienced. That would also be a reasonable time to start off in SE Asia or the subcontinent, but it's probably best you be comfortable with psychotic drivers and traffic if you do this.
Not so good heading into autumn: northern (followed by Central) Europe, mountainous areas all the way across to South Asia; much of Russia, China or Mongolia, and more.
I've gone on too long already, probably the result of that extra cup of coffee. I don't know if the above is helpful, but I hope so and wish you well on your journey--the one labeled "life," not just the portions conducted on two wheels. Keep posting up here when you feel inspired to do so!
Mark
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Originally Posted by markharf
I'm going to suggest that you are trying to start with too narrow a focus. There are many flaws with what you've written so far in this thread--for example, you cannot cross the Morocco/Algeria border, although you can take a ferry from Europe into Algeria easily enough; Libya is currently unsafe no matter who you are or how you're traveling; avoiding Venezuela as an American is not a choice, since they won't let you in; etc.
There are similar limitations scattered throughout the world. Trying to plan at this level without enough background understanding will just lead you into a variety of dead ends. We are privileged as more or less financially secure Westerners, but the world doesn't actually revolve around our desires the way it used to in our favorite fantasies.
I'd suggest: start with one or more of Chris Scott's books if you haven't already done so. Hang out on sites like this one--far better than ADVrider unless you intend to stay USA-centric for the rest of your life--just reading whatever comes up to accumulate background information. And use the weather as one of your central organizing principals, since not doing so will make you miserable, perhaps immobilize you completely, and may even get you dead.
Motorcycles and bad weather don't mesh well for most people, and this includes rainy seasons, temperate zone winters, hot seasons in an increasing percentage of the globe, and more. If you're starting in September it would make perfect sense to head south into Latin America--with a few minor cautions about rainy seasons and occasional hurricanes. The whole of Central and South America are accessible without insoluble visa issues, carnets, or even non-Latin-based languages (for the most part).
Exploring southern Europe before heading south into Africa would also make sense, although Africa's not as straightforward as South America for the less-experienced. That would also be a reasonable time to start off in SE Asia or the subcontinent, but it's probably best you be comfortable with psychotic drivers and traffic if you do this.
Not so good heading into autumn: northern (followed by Central) Europe, mountainous areas all the way across to South Asia; much of Russia, China or Mongolia, and more.
I've gone on too long already, probably the result of that extra cup of coffee. I don't know if the above is helpful, but I hope so and wish you well on your journey--the one labeled "life," not just the portions conducted on two wheels. Keep posting up here when you feel inspired to do so!
Mark
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Mark,
When I say this I mean it, I really appreciate you taking your personal time to communicate with me. I don't mind the cold hard truth, in fact, I seek it. I can't properly start to build my representation of how to plan a journey like this if I don't know to take my mind down the proper planning path. There is a ton of knowledge out in the world, but it's not about reading everything, it's about reading the right material.
Funny you mention Chris Scotts book, I actually already bought that and I am currently reading it and I have no desires to stay in the U.S, I can do that type of traveling much later in life if I wish, I need to maximize my vitality and youth to do what I am planning currently.
I agree with you on the weather, I did not mention that in my pretext of what I was saying in my original post, but I had pondered upon that.
I agree with you that I have many fundamental flaws in my knowledge on what countries would be off-limits or issues for my motorcycle overland travels, I guess my goal with posting this was to get a macro shotgun blast synopsis of what I am doing with the hope of creating a crude framework from others with experience to create a path for me to start my planning cycle.
So end state for me is to sit down and write out continent by continent and region by region the weather (Temperature and raining seasons) and start my planning cycle around that in combination with open-source security analysis of each country. I think the nucleus of that research will naturally create my path, along with some objective criticism of others on here with more experience than me.
So another question you might know, what is your experience with storing motorcycles overseas? If I get down to a region and the weather in the next region is going to turn, I can fly back to the U.S until the season permits and keep going. I could possibly rent a storage unit or pay a dealership to store it?
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