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Correct. Old news, if you can call this stuff news.
More lies and propaganda
Some Tory politician even claimed he'd scuppered it all on his own. Just as well we have such heroes protecting us
Sleep easy Ted, there's bigger things to worry about. Like Trump declaring war on NATO :-)
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If that cock womble gets in power I'll give it six months before he's either assassinated or he starts WW3.
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except 90% of the media bullshit about the EU banning aftermarket parts and modifications was just that................bullshit
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Hardly.
How can you say that when the marketing manager of Triumph motorcycles himself says the contrary and gives the reason? I even reproduced his letter.
EU Type Approval and Market Surveillance Regulation COM(2010)542.
All new bikes over 125cc get ABS under the regulation approved by MEPs. Smaller machines have combined brakes instead.
The anti-tampering measures will prevent modifications of bikes which fall under the 47bhp limit for new ‘A2’ licence holders from2013. Bikes will get on-board diagnostic systems capable of registering modifications as faults to be rectified by a mechanic.
Further...
The European Parliament 20th November 2012 – The proposal – Approval and market surveillance of two – or three-wheel vehicles and quadricycles – was debated and then approved by the European Parliament by huge majority (643 in favour, 16 against).
The Commission originally proposed to equip all L-category vehicles (so everything on two or three wheels with an engine) "with designated measures to prevent tampering of a vehicle’s powertrain" (laid down in Article 18). Before, similar rules had only been in place for speed and power restricted mopeds, scooters and light motorcycles up to an engine capacity of 125 cm³. The inclusion of all kinds of motorcycles into Article 18 was justified by the Commission by environmental and safety concerns.
Speculation is still rife as to what precisely these “designated measures to prevent tampering” will include as the Commission intends to develop them as part of a delegated act which has still not been drafted. Riders are therefore rightly worried of a scenario where manufacturers have to build motorcycles in a way that prevents the end user from any kind of modification. See Triumph's response in their letter to me.
Lobbying by the likes of M.A.G. were partially successful in limiting some of these proposals to 125cc bikes i.e. ABS but the “designated measures to prevent tampering” clause still pertains to all bikes – including yours.
It was subsequently revealed that Bosch A.G. had heavily “lobbied” the commission to introduce such specious legislation, Bosch A.G. being the principle maker and patent holder of ABS systems for motorcycles.
One chilling, potential clause the M.A.G. identified in the regulations was a system to be built into the ECU that will monitor and report their riding, their speed etc leading to enforcement agencies being able to access any data for prosecution.
Of course if manufacturers want to equip bikes with systems that do this then that is down to market forces and whether riders will buy such bikes. As I indicated, I avoided the Triumph and bought Harley.
However, you can avoid any of this bullshit simply by putting your X in the appropriate box and VOTE LEAVE.
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I'm tempted to vote to stay in. I'm also tempted to vote to leave. It's a fine line at the moment. I could go either way.
As an expert on 'Couldn'tgiveatossology' my professional opinion is that it doesn't really matter which way I vote, so on that basis I won't bother. There you go, my mind is now made up. A simple non-scientific thought process has brought my dilemma to a swift conclusion  |
See if this changes your mind:-
Last Wednesday night, the European Union’s Economic and Monetary Affairs Committee quietly passed a chilling piece of legislation. It calls for every one of the 500 million people who live in the EU to be given a ‘European Taxpayer Identification Number’, or EUTIN for short.
The remainiacs will say this is a scare story but there is only one reason the commission wants you on its tax books and we all know what it is; we already have the "without representation" here comes the "taxation" bit.
If you vote remain expect the EU to put its hand in your pocket in addition to the UK government. Vote Leave.
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Hardly.
How can you say that when the marketing manager of Triumph motorcycles himself says the contrary and gives the reason? I even reproduced his letter.
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Simple research, the Regulation you quoted was only proposed, even MAG's own website regarding this hasn't been updated since 2012
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... The [supporters of Remain] will say this is a scare story...
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You think?
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See if this changes your mind:-
Last Wednesday night, the European Union’s Economic and Monetary Affairs Committee quietly passed a chilling piece of legislation. It calls for every one of the 500 million people who live in the EU to be given a ‘European Taxpayer Identification Number’, or EUTIN for short.
The remainiacs will say this is a scare story but there is only one reason the commission wants you on its tax books and we all know what it is; we already have the "without representation" here comes the "taxation" bit.
If you vote remain expect the EU to put its hand in your pocket in addition to the UK government. Vote Leave.
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It doesn't. All it shows is that you are subscribing to a particular opinion or belief. If someone in opposition had came out with a counter-argument then that may have made as much impact on you or someone else.
Please tell me of one occasion....just one... when a politician said something that was genuinely and sincerely in the best interest of the majority. I make one exception .......Nelson Mandela, and even that will court controversy.
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Hardly.
How can you say that when the marketing manager of Triumph motorcycles himself says the contrary and gives the reason? I even reproduced his letter.
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If that cock womble gets in power I'll give it six months before he's either assassinated or he starts WW3.
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I heard he would have already declared war on NATO but can't find the place on his map (printed in Mexico)
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I heard he would have already declared war on NATO but can't find the place on his map (printed in Mexico)
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War.... We'll have to wait until Trump is voted in for that!
Settle down Russ....therapy is a great thing! (no sincere offence intended)
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Simple research, the Regulation you quoted was only proposed, even MAG's own website regarding this hasn't been updated since 2012
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Duh! Because 2012 was when the legislation was implemented - and it was implemented; approved by the European Parliament by huge majority (643 in favour, 16 against). Do try to keep up old chap
I must say, it is quite a unique stance to take that the EU is not anti-motorcycle given their past history and a view few here will subscribe to however they intend to vote on freedom day.
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It doesn't. All it shows is that you are subscribing to a particular opinion or belief. If someone in opposition had came out with a counter-argument then that may have made as much impact on you or someone else.
No - what is shows is the implementation of legislation to give you an EU tax number. They are diligently building their own mechanism for taxation.
Please tell me of one occasion....just one... when a politician said something that was genuinely and sincerely in the best interest of the majority. I make one exception .......Nelson Mandela, and even that will court controversy.
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You got me there - we do indeed live in a Kakocracy. But, why would you vote or vote by neglect (in not voting) for more of them in the form of the EU when a simple cross in a box will contribute to their demise? It is little enough effort to make.
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Hardly.
How can you say that when the marketing manager of Triumph motorcycles himself says the contrary and gives the reason? I even reproduced his letter.
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I would say so - yes.
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You got me there - we do indeed live in a Kakocracy. But, why would you vote or vote by neglect (in not voting) for more of them in the form of the EU when a simple cross in a box will contribute to their demise? It is little enough effort to make.
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Oooo ..more bold text.
So why didn't you post a link to the actual legislation rather than the proposal????
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I would say so - yes.
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Care to explain why a marketing manager for a pretty minor manufacturer is an expert on this and 100% correct whilst every other expert, economist, forecaster who doesn't comply with your view of the world is wrong?
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If that cock womble gets in power I'll give it six months before he's either assassinated or he starts WW3.
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What an interesting turn of phrase you have Ted! The world survived 8 years of the cock womble W, so we'll outlive The Donald too! Does the US not realise what a laughing stock they're becoming just having him in the final of the 2016 Presidents' World Series.
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And Chris... I'm not fiddling with your ring antenna. People will talk.
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Twiddle, not fiddle! !!!!! NICE USE OF BOLD FONT AND COLOUR DONT YOU THINK!?
So, a cock womble walks into a Starbucks, twiddling his ring antenna around his finger and says to the server: Give me a skinny latte, no olives.
Oh yeah, my view on the topic the op asked about
I'm not feeling lucky.
Note the use of a link (assuming it works!!  ) rather than spamming up the entire site with copy/pasted stuff
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