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No.. But things MUST change
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I think we should be looking forward, not backwards.. times change
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Today is the centenary of the death of Jack Cornwell. He was 16 years old and one of the youngest ever recipients of a Victoria Cross. His recommendation for the VC from his Admiral read as follows: "the instance of devotion to duty by Boy (1st Class) John Travers Cornwell who was mortally wounded early in the action, but nevertheless remained standing alone at a most exposed post, quietly awaiting orders till the end of the action, with the gun's crew dead and wounded around him. He was under 16½ years old. I regret that he has since died, but I recommend his case for special recognition in justice to his memory and as an acknowledgement of the high example set by him."
When they found him he had shards of shrapnel lodged in his chest. He died in the hospital before his mother could get there.
He would be belittled and decried as a Little Englander today (see above). Cameron, the BBC, Goldman Sachs and Owen Jones and the Guardian reading bed wetters would sneer that he is a racist and should try to be more pro-European. He needed no lessons at school on "how to be British". He is a reminder of what we once were and what the left wants to destroy.
In the coming weeks we will see the entire establishment mobilise further to try to smear and discredit those of us who want to return to self-government and the rule of law under habeas corpus. Don't let it demoralise you - it's very easy compared to what Cornwell went through.
And who knows how many others down the centuries died in similar fashion trying to defend our nation and what defines us?
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Beautiful. The haze has lifted. Thank you for these insightful words that help move the discussion forward in a most dramatic way.
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The way some folk are talking, you'd think the panzers were lining up in Calais and firing shells with warheads made of HIV infected migrants.
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 certainly sounds like the average Brexiters debating point 
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At least Jack was spared the sight of the current Prime Minister, on three separate occasions standing shoulder to shoulder with foreign leaders and smirking whilst those foreign leaders threatened our country should we dare leave their corrupt EU – it was our generation who witnessed that and it is us who must put it right and honour what Jack did on our behalf.
Jack was only a boy and lost his life but he got to live in a free nation and he died the most honourable of deaths. He knew England at her greatest and I admire him. His epitaph read as follows:
Both those leading and following the REMAIN cause should ponder those words and look inside themselves. BREXITER's have no need to.
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Your points of debate aren't getting any better and maybe you should take heed of the epitaph yourself?
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I'm not sure what Jack Cornwell has to do with the current financial and international relations of the UK with Europe.
And besides reading the epitaph, I think that it actually reads, don't look back at your ancestors..
So perhaps, follow mr. Cornwell and fight for Europe.
What is exactly your point with naming him?
Perhaps, (IMHO) a more important man in British history, sir Winston Churchill said;
“We cannot aim at anything less than the Union of Europe as a whole, and we look forward with confidence to the day when that Union will be achieved.”
So, any other historical figures we should throw in the debate?
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21 days to go
Nearly all of the posturing and hectoring from the great and the good must be nearly over now with 3 weeks to go.
Just a few live interviews on TV to come; I wonder how much the audiences will believe of what the politicians and non-elected miscellany have up their sleeves.
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I have a very generous offer for anyone who wants to stay in the EU – send me your salary every year!
Don’t worry. I am not heartless - I will slowly dribble 40% of it back to you to spend as you wish – as long as you have my written approval first.
“What do I get in return?” I hear you ask – well plenty – I’ll send you lots of rules and regulations governing just about every aspect of your life.
If you buy food, use electricity or drive a car that burn fossil fuel I'm afraid I will have to punish you severely – don’t complain, it’s for your own good, it’s called “tough love.”
Of course all of this requires a lot of work on my part, so I’ll need to slice a large piece off the top of your “contribution” to pay my salary, accommodation, expenses, perks, and to help fill my platinum plated pension pot.
Oh, and by the way, leave your house doors open at all times – I’ll decide who can enter!
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Jack died because old men in suits were squabbling over money and ego. He was cannon fodder. Indoctrinated into the armed forces from the lower educated Working class to give his life in exchange for someone else's glory..
Not much has changed..
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Jack died because old men in suits were squabbling over money and ego. He was cannon fodder. Indoctrinated into the armed forces from the lower educated Working class to give his life in exchange for someone else's glory..
Not much has changed..
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I suppose this won't change, Brexit or not..
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I suppose this won't change, Brexit or not..
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Which leads to the philosophical question "What are you prepared to die for, nowadays?"
It's a rhetorical question though.
I commented some pages ago, that no one killed while serving in their nations' armed forces returns to their home country in a coffin draped in a blue flag, whether that blue flag be the NATO version or the EU version.
For instance, is a Scotsman prepared to die for the blue Saltire with a whilte cross?
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Pretty convincing polemic from Pat Condell
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Getting back to the topic.. I voted NO.
Myself, I'm from the Netherlands and a similair discussion will start soon in my country. A very rightwing and populist movement is starting to take shape in Holland (and perhaps in the whole of Europe).
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So did "no" mean 'remain' or 'leave'? I tried to deduce the answer from the remainder of your post but it still wasn't clear from what you wrote.
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This. Brexit. Stuff. Is. Boring.
No-one knows what will happen if we stay or go. There are 1001 opinions and versions of a new UK and what it would be like and not one of them is guaranteed to be real or accurate. It's like Y2K Groundhog Day all over again and the computer scaremongers.
'Ooooh, you're computer is gonna explode'
'No it isn't'
Yes it is coz my mate down the pub said so'
Like I said before, it's a load of bollox. That is all.
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So did "no" mean 'remain' or 'leave'? I tried to deduce the answer from the remainder of your post but it still wasn't clear from what you wrote.
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He invoked Winston Churchill and that famous quotation but made the classic error in omitting the “but Britain must never be a part of it” line so I think we can infer he is a (Dutch) remainiac.
Also, he highlights the rise of the hard right without acknowledging that this phenomenon is a direct result of the incompetence and failed policies of the EU and can therefore be laid directly at the door of the very institution he advocates.
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