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View Poll Results: Should Britain leave the E.U. ?
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A reflection of the differing expectations of the differing populations? The British democracy with inherited "safety valve" structure has been pretty stable for 200 years and there for close to 400. Our dictators give up the job by themselves when whatever emergency is over. The nearest similar set up is the Netherlands, but only 200 years in total with a gap when things spilled over from Germany. Germany was a dictatorship 70 or 30 years ago depending where you were, Spain 40 years ago and Poland 30. If the population remember Erik Honeke, General Jaraselski and Franco, Jacques Delores and the grey men of the commission seem benign and more stable that students with flags and petrol bombs. This is especially true when they are buying you motorways and handing out cash not to grow stuff.

Giving up freedom for stability seems mad to someone who's never had a Soviet or Nazi secret policeman kick in their front door.

If the UK manages to free itself I wonder how the rest will take their promotion to the rich, developed and therefore contibutable part of the membership?

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After hearing the latest idea, all twenty eight states getting different amounts of benefit, for differing periods, I am even more convinced we need to go. The poor old benefits dept can't cope now, God knows what that will do to it. Cameron calls that a good deal, I think not.
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A reflection of the differing expectations of the differing populations? The British democracy with inherited "safety valve" structure has been pretty stable for 200 years and there for close to 400. Our dictators give up the job by themselves when whatever emergency is over. The nearest similar set up is the Netherlands, but only 200 years in total with a gap when things spilled over from Germany. Germany was a dictatorship 70 or 30 years ago depending where you were, Spain 40 years ago and Poland 30. If the population remember Erik Honeke, General Jaraselski and Franco, Jacques Delores and the grey men of the commission seem benign and more stable that students with flags and petrol bombs. This is especially true when they are buying you motorways and handing out cash not to grow stuff.

Giving up freedom for stability seems mad to someone who's never had a Soviet or Nazi secret policeman kick in their front door.

If the UK manages to free itself I wonder how the rest will take their promotion to the rich, developed and therefore contibutable part of the membership?

Andy
Some commentators say that each period of "stability" lasts about 300 years, on average - thereafter it must change.
"Average" covers a wide range of circumstances in the forms of government and the "top dog" individuals who tend to rise to the top of the pile; many identified above were one offs who survived for short time scales during very turbulent times, far more so than now.
Russia is a fascinating case.

The USA is just over 300 years old, or less if counted from their civil war which was intended to unite the country for the first time.
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I think Russia is a fine example. With a good Czar it works, with a bad one it doesn't, without a Czar there will be chaos until they find one. Any Czar is a 50/50 chance of success, no Czar makes it 95/5 against. You can't blame them for picking a Czar by any other name.

Donald the first doesn't inspire an Englishman more than Dave the temporary though.

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